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| # | 07:06:04 | natschil | what is used by the evergreen perl code to manipulate marc stuff? e.g. is there a function that would let me do something like my $marc=record.marc; my @strings = marc.subfields(650); |
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| # | 09:39:07 | natschil_ | sorry for repeating this question, but when I asked it the first time I'm not sure if anyone was on the channel (early morning us time)... what is used by the evergreen perl code to manipulate marc stuff? e.g. is there a function that would let me do something like my $marc=record.marc; my @strings = marc.subfields(650); |
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| # | 09:44:17 | berick | natschil_: see the marc::record perl module |
| # | 09:46:09 | natschil_ | berick: thanks a lot |
| # | 09:55:12 | wjr processes like 9 opac password reset requests |
| # | 09:55:18 | wjr | happy monday |
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| # | 10:28:31 | dbs | just thinking out loud here: i bet site running Evergreen clusters use an NFS mount for /openils |
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| # | 10:33:43 | miker_ | dbs: some do. generally, per-brick, served from the apache box (brick head) |
| # | 10:34:41 | dbs | miker_: it makes so much sense, once you're in the position of trying to synchronize a handful of servers :) |
| # | 10:35:02 | dbs | or 40 (or whatever PINES went live with) |
| # | 10:38:13 | dbs | btw, all is going relatively well at the moment, although the --max_uri / --max_cn parms for direct_ingest ; those are intended to enable parallel batch processing, I'm guessing? |
| # | 10:38:22 | berick | with 1.4, there is the added need for a globally shared NFS ..er.. share to store MARC upload files... writable by apache and readable by all drones |
| # | 10:38:32 | dbs | berick: right, that's been on my mind |
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| # | 10:40:37 | dbs | I was a bit surprised that the auri's seem to be allowing the DB to assign IDs, as the auricnm depends on auri.id |
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| # | 10:42:31 | miker_ | dbs: there're not intended for that, though I suppose they serve that purpose. I wanted to avoid the id lookup when doing batch processing |
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| # | 10:43:08 | miker_ | they being the max_foo switches |
| # | 10:43:39 | dbs | okay - right now I think it would be pretty much impossible to process two batches in parallel, because there are no guarantees about how many URIs a given bib will have (0..*) |
| # | 10:43:49 | dbs | yeah, it took me a second to parse that :) |
| # | 10:45:49 | miker_ | dbs: you could count the number of 856 tags (grep on the marcxml) and assume all will be magical. that would leave holes, but that's not a problem, per se |
| # | 10:47:04 | dbs | miker_: yeah, I would have to count 856 with subfield 9s to be accurate - maybe in yaz-marcdump -o line output |
| # | 10:48:43 | natschil_ | why doesn't opensrf let me return a string? if I do something like my my $result = "<h1>" . $record->marc.author() . "</h1>"; return result; this causes open-ils.search to crash |
| # | 10:49:18 | miker_ | $record->marc.author() doesn't look like valid perl to me |
| # | 10:49:54 | natschil_ | sorry, record->marc->author(); |
| # | 10:50:24 | natschil_ is too used to using -> with pointers from c/c++ |
| # | 10:50:26 | miker_ | what is $record? a Fieldmapper::biblio::record_entry object? |
| # | 10:52:17 | miker_ | natschil_: assuming so, the content of the marc field in that object is the marcxml. it would need to be handled by some xml code |
| # | 10:53:11 | natschil_ | well, I'm not too sure myself :) I basically copied the part that gets me the marc record from biblio_record_to_marc_html, and I assumed that it is a MARC::Record object, this creates the reocrd in biblio_record_to_marc_html: $record = $e->retrieve_biblio_record_entry($recordid) |
| # | 10:53:57 | dbs | heh, i think that's a bad assumption :) |
| # | 10:54:05 | natschil_ | probably |
| # | 10:54:29 | natschil_ | but even doing return 'Hello World'; gives me an error |
| # | 10:55:09 | miker_ | natschil_: mind pastebin'ing your sub along with the method registration? |
| # | 10:56:28 | natschil_ | well, I tried doing something like this: sub hello_world() {return 'Hello World';}, and this ran fine when I ran it in perl. Method registration works, as return 0; works |
| # | 10:56:35 | dbs | Looks like that's using the CStoreEditor, which would retrieve an entry from the biblio.record_entry table due to the magical method name, which would be represented as a Fieldmapper::biblio::record_entry with member variable "marc" which would indeed by MARCXML (if I understand all this correctly) |
| # | 10:56:38 | natschil_ | or something along those lines |
| # | 10:57:02 | natschil_ | yup, its probably marcxml....how do I manipulate it? |
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| # | 10:58:29 | miker_ | my $author = $parser->parse_string($record->marc)->findvalue('//*[@tag="100"]/*[@code="a"]'); # for the super-idomatic version |
| # | 10:58:52 | natschil_ | is there an easier way? |
| # | 10:59:09 | miker_ | natschil_: what do you mean by "Method registration works, as return 0; works"? |
| # | 10:59:29 | miker_ | can you pastebin your hello world example? |
| # | 10:59:34 | miker_ | http://paste.lisp.org/new/openils-evergreen |
| # | 10:59:36 | natschil_ | sure |
| # | 11:02:17 | lisppaste6 | natschil pasted "perl hello world sub" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78894 |
| # | 11:03:14 | natschil_ | sorry, I forgot the () .... |
| # | 11:03:22 | natschil_ | in the paste |
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| # | 11:04:29 | miker_ | and what error do you get in srfsh when you attempt to call open-ils.search.biblio.bibliographic_entry.html? |
| # | 11:05:18 | miker_ | hrm... what () did you forget? |
| # | 11:05:49 | miker_ | fg |
| # | 11:05:55 | miker_ | heh |
| # | 11:09:26 | natschil_ | heh, strangely enough now it works, even though it didn't work before (even with the () :)), but replacing the 'Hello World' with 0 did work....now I tried it again and it works :) |
| # | 11:10:07 | miker_ | ;) |
| # | 11:12:49 | natschil_ feels like an idiot |
| # | 11:13:20 | miker_ | sometimes all it takes is to say/type it |
| # | 11:18:43 | natschil_ | where would perl put errors like that? |
| # | 11:21:25 | dbs | might be logged to /openils/var/log/*log somewhere |
| # | 11:24:39 | natschil_ | strange....as soon as I changed anything, i get that same error again (Unable to communicate with service open-ils.search) fom srfsh... could someone tell me if there is anything blatantly wrong with my perl code? |
| # | 11:25:07 | lisppaste6 | natschil pasted "perl stuff" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78895 |
| # | 11:26:58 | dchristens | Morning, folks. Question: on the holds pull list (Circ menu -> pull list for holds requests), is it possible to change the width of the "title" column? (Say, by eliminating the patron barcode, which doesn't help staff pluck the book from the shelf) |
| # | 11:28:00 | dchristens | I'm looking at var/web/xul/server/patron/holds.js (but I'm not even sure I'm looking in the right place) :-) |
| # | 11:28:38 | dbs | lisppaste6: strange to see () on the function name, that's usually only used for specifying arg types to Perl subs (which is generally discouraged)... but otherwise, nothing immediate |
| # | 11:29:42 | natschil_ | oh, I don't need the () ? I thought that not having it was what was wrong with the code in the first place... |
| # | 11:29:44 | dbs | heh, I'm talking to lisppaste6 now... you can pretty much disregard anything that comes out of my allergy-inflicted head today |
| # | 11:31:24 | natschil_ | ok, I removed the (), and voila, it works! ... now why did it work before *with* the () ? |
| # | 11:31:57 | natschil_ | before |
| # | 11:33:16 | dbs | perhaps you were passing no arguments to it before? unknown |
| # | 11:34:17 | dchristens | hrm... server/admin/hold_pull_list.xhtml looks more promising.... |
| # | 11:37:31 | natschil_ | now back to the original question...what is the library used by evergreen for xml manipulation? miker_ said that this ( my $author = $parser->parse_string($record->marc)->findvalue('//*[@tag="100"]/*[@code="a"]');) would get me the author from some marcxml, (for the super-idomatic version), but is there also another, easier way to do this? |
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| # | 11:41:04 | natschil_ | or, I mean a shorter way to do it with something like $xmlfile->get("author/a") that would let me get stuff from an xml file like the evergreen installation instructions tell you which values to modify...I think they call it an XPath like syntax |
| # | 11:41:05 | dbs | natschil_: this is why I was pointing you at ModsParser.pm and the mvr before (open-ils.search.biblio.metarecord.mods_slim.retrieve in OpenILS/Application/Biblio.pm |
| # | 11:41:18 | natschil_ | dbs: what does this do? |
| # | 11:42:00 | dbs | Gives you a JSON representation of the pertinent fields of a bib record, including author, title, etc. |
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| # | 11:43:50 | dbs | I guess you could run stuff through MARC::Record and use its convenience functions for author() and the like. *shrugs* |
| # | 11:44:08 | natschil | what would be the "better" way to do it? |
| # | 11:47:41 | dbs | If this is in the rdetails page, then you're already retrieving the mods_slim record (open-ils.search.biblio.record.mods_slim.retrieve) so I would just reuse that |
| # | 11:48:09 | dbs | (mods_slim = mvr) |
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| # | 11:54:11 | natschil | ok |
| # | 11:54:23 | Roger2k10 | This is probably a dumb question but I'm having problems locating any kind of information about this. How do I add a branch or change branch information? I've tried using cgi-bin/lib-setup.cgi but none of the changes I make there seem to get reflected in the opac. |
| # | 11:54:48 | natschil | Roger2k10: have you run autogen.sh? restarting memcached could also help |
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| # | 11:55:27 | natschil | dbs sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean with mvr... is it another name for mods_slim? |
| # | 11:56:22 | dbs | natschil: yep. http://dev.gapines.org/osrf-gateway-v1?locale=en-US&method=open-ils.search.biblio.record.mods_slim.retrieve¶m=189840&service=open-ils.search is the service call that returns the mvr record (mvr class hint as defined in fm_IDL.xml) used by http://dev.gapines.org/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/rdetail.xml?r=189840&t=ginger&tp=keyword&d=0&hc=35&rt=keyword for its bibliographic info |
| # | 11:56:30 | miker_ | Roger2k10: after making changes there you'll need to run the autogen.sh script (typically in /openils/bin/) |
| # | 11:57:44 | Roger2k10 | Would I run it as opensrf? |
| # | 11:58:17 | natschil | Roger2k10: yes, you would run something like autogen.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u |
| # | 11:59:14 | natschil | dbs: does this go into a javascript var? |
| # | 11:59:56 | dbs | natschil: yep, if you look at rdetail.js (although the method name will be replaced by a const defined in config.js which can make it a bit of a pain to correlated the two) |
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| # | 12:05:19 | Roger2k10 | Nice. Seems to have worked. Now how do I remove things using this lib-setup.cgi or is there something else I'm supposed to do. I see how to add organizational units, but no way to remove them |
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| # | 12:09:09 | dchristens | :-) solved my holds-pull-list title question. Width of a column seems to depend on the width of the longest element... change <td>&staff.server.admin.hold_pull.title.label;</td> to <td>&staff.server.admin.hold_pull.title.label;................................</td> |
| # | 12:09:18 | dchristens | (not pretty, but it works) |
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| # | 12:10:12 | dchristens | hide a column by adding "class='hide_me' to the <td> for both title and row :-) |
| # | 12:17:43 | dbs | dchristens: hah, nice hack :) |
| # | 12:18:31 | dbs | could add some CSS too, I would imagine, but if it works for you, it's a win! dchristens++ |
| # | 12:18:32 | phasefx | use the alternate pull list and have printing be templatable :) |
| # | 12:25:40 | dchristens | dbs: thx :-) |
| # | 12:26:11 | dchristens | phasefx: ok, that piqued my curiousity.... |
| # | 12:26:36 | phasefx | dchristens: under Admin -> Local System Administration, there are two other "experimental" pull lists |
| # | 12:27:08 | phasefx | one is XUL interface, and ties into the templating system configurable through Admin -> Receipt Template Editor |
| # | 12:27:20 | dchristens | phasefx: sweet! |
| # | 12:27:52 | phasefx | the other is a hack of the standard pull list, to make it resemble some email PINES libraries used to get |
| # | 12:29:57 | dchristens | Ok, I'm definitely going to play around with that, in my Copious Free Time (tm) :-) |
| # | 12:30:07 | phasefx | dchristens++ |
| # | 12:38:26 | natschil | dbs: I think I'll stick to trying to do it with perl for now...if I have a MODS record, how would I get something e.g. the author from it (in perl). is there some related cpan module, or do I need to do it with open of the evergreen modules? |
| # | 12:38:48 | dbs | MODS is just plain ol' XML, so XML::LibXML or whatever you like |
| # | 12:38:49 | natschil | i meant: with one of the evergreen modules? |
| # | 12:39:12 | dbs | Interestingly, ModsParser.pm demonstrates that :) |
| # | 12:41:50 | natschil | k....so is the mods data basically just the marcxml, but with fewer things in it? |
| # | 12:43:27 | natschil | sorry, I'm still confused about what ModsParser.pm actually does :) |
| # | 12:43:56 | dbs | MODS = semantically meaningful elements and attributes |
| # | 12:44:03 | natschil | ok |
| # | 12:44:17 | dbs | MARC(XML) = semantically meaningless tags and subfields |
| # | 12:44:53 | dbs | MARC2MODS*.xsl = represent MARC in a semantically meaningful XML representation |
| # | 12:45:29 | natschil | is mods_slim the same as mods? |
| # | 12:46:11 | dbs | MODS record: http://dev.gapines.org/opac/extras/supercat/retrieve/mods32/record/189840 |
| # | 12:46:22 | dbs | MARCXML record: http://dev.gapines.org/opac/extras/supercat/retrieve/marcxml/record/189840 |
| # | 12:47:28 | dbs | natschil: no, mods_slim is a subset of MODS that pulls the most interesting bibliographic fields together |
| # | 12:51:34 | natschil | so, correct me if I'm wrong: MODS is the important stuff from MARCXML, and mods_slim is the important stuff from mods, right? |
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| # | 12:52:19 | dbs | natschil: that's a reasonable way of looking at it. |
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| # | 12:52:57 | dbs | could substitute "more convenient means at getting at the most important stuff" for each step there, but yeah |
| # | 12:53:21 | natschil | is there somewhere that I could find a mods_slim file? |
| # | 12:53:54 | dbs | natschil: not really, just the URL I pointed at earlier as an example |
| # | 12:54:52 | natschil | ok, is the "MODS record" a mods_slim one? |
| # | 12:55:33 | dbs | no, http://dev.gapines.org/osrf-gateway-v1?locale=en-US&method=open-ils.search.biblio.record.mods_slim.retrieve¶m=189840&service=open-ils.search |
| # | 12:57:30 | natschil | but that doesn't look like xml |
| # | 12:57:45 | dbs | correct, it isn't |
| # | 12:58:27 | natschil | ok, so MODS and MARCXML are xml, but mods_slim is the information from MODS all in a string, seperated by commas? |
| # | 12:58:31 | dbs | but you can use JSON2perl to turn it into a living, breathing mvr object in Perl |
| # | 12:58:33 | dbs | it's JSON |
| # | 12:58:42 | dbs | and it's an opensrf class |
| # | 12:58:59 | dbs | and I really, really have to focus on some of my work for a bit :) |
| # | 12:59:36 | natschil | sorry, I ask too many questions :) |
| # | 12:59:48 | phasefx | natschil: so that string is the serialized form of an object, and can be turned back into an object (in perl, in javascript, in python, etc.) |
| # | 13:00:28 | phasefx | in fact, if you're using OpenSRF libraries to call that method (through the gateway or otherwise), you'll get the response as an object automatically |
| # | 13:02:11 | natschil | what kind of object is this? i.e how would I get the data from this object? |
| # | 13:03:45 | phasefx | there are classes associated with these, that defines getters/setters for each of the fields available. These classes are constructed dynamically based on the contents of fm_IDL.xml |
| # | 13:04:18 | phasefx | so if you search for fm_IDL.xml for class="mvr", you'll see how this type of object is defined |
| # | 13:04:51 | phasefx | in javascript, you can do something like var foo = new mvr(); foo.author() |
| # | 13:05:31 | natschil | and in perl? |
| # | 13:05:38 | phasefx | perl would be something similar.. the underlying object would be an array, that gets "blessed" into an object with those methods |
| # | 13:05:50 | phasefx | foo->author() or some such for access |
| # | 13:06:02 | natschil | ok, thanks, I'm starting to understand how this works |
| # | 13:06:15 | phasefx | but instead of mvr, it'd be a longer identifier based on perl modules |
| # | 13:06:23 | phasefx | Fieldmapper::something |
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| # | 13:20:52 | natschil | what does mods do if there's two authors? |
| # | 13:25:33 | dbs | creates two name elements, just like http://dev.gapines.org/opac/extras/supercat/retrieve/mods32/record/189840 |
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| # | 13:32:57 | natschil | but then, in perl, if I do foo.author(), does it only give me the first author, and how do I get the second author? also, does mods_slim include the palce of publicatio? |
| # | 13:33:54 | dbs | I think foo->author would return a list of authors, so something like foo->author[0] would give you the first. Although I am heavily medicated right now. |
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| # | 13:37:53 | natschil | dbs: thanks |
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| # | 13:53:20 | Roger2k10 | in terms of bulk importing marc records, if my holdings data is stored in the 852 field instead of 999, am I pretty much boned? |
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| # | 13:56:00 | natschil | Roger2k10: you could probably replace all occurences of 852 with 999 in the marc records, if you are not using the 999 field for something else. |
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| # | 13:57:29 | dchristens | Roger2k10: I think you can specify the holdings tag/subfields in the bulk import script(s).... somewhere.... |
| # | 13:58:16 | dbs | yeah, you can search/replace the 999 in the ultra-stupid import script (i can say that because I wrote it!) |
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| # | 13:58:35 | Roger2k10 | ok |
| # | 13:58:44 | dbs | preferred method is to load the holdings separately a la http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=importing:holdings:import_via_staging_table |
| # | 13:59:35 | dbs | so if you can get your holdings out of your old system separately, that's probably easier than parsing them out of the MARC record itself |
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| # | 14:16:20 | Roger2k10 | The old system isn't very flexible. The only export is usmarc with 852 holdings data. |
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| # | 14:34:11 | dbs | phasefx: uhh, where did you see that super-funky network message in the staff client? |
| # | 14:34:24 | dbs | 'cause I'm seeing it trying to connect to our trunk server right now |
| # | 14:34:33 | dbs | (or some variation on it) |
| # | 14:35:26 | lisppaste6 | dbs pasted "funky staff client message from trunk for phasefx" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78907 |
| # | 14:35:39 | phasefx | dbs: it was a trunk client.. trying to print from the Item Status interface |
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| # | 14:36:14 | dbs | huh, this is occuring on the first login attempt. hrm. |
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| # | 14:44:07 | Roger2k10 | So another question along those lines. My records don't seem to have an 035 field. What is this exactly? |
| # | 14:45:56 | chrissharp123 | Roger2k10: http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/0xx/035.shtm |
| # | 14:46:07 | chrissharp123 | just happened to be watching as you asked :-) |
| # | 14:53:21 | Roger2k10 | Is this information something I would be likely to have in another field perhaps? |
| # | 14:54:06 | chrissharp123 | since it's not a required field, perhaps not... |
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| # | 17:18:25 | dchristens | Anyone on have experience setting up the simple2zoom z39.50 server, as per http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:sru_and_z39.50 ? |
| # | 17:19:10 | dchristens | (er... "and the time for a couple of questions" :-) |
| # | 17:31:26 | dchristens | Heh... guess not :-) |
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