2008-11-25T01:08:24 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-11-25T05:52:33 *** eeevil has quit IRC 2008-11-25T05:52:55 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T06:18:33 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-11-25T06:18:34 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-11-25T06:18:59 *** rsinger has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T06:18:59 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T08:03:53 *** brendan_g has quit IRC 2008-11-25T09:01:24 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T09:31:07 *** wlayton_work has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T09:33:11 *** brendan_g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T10:09:14 *** eby has quit IRC 2008-11-25T10:16:28 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T11:00:54 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-11-25T11:09:55 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T12:03:09 *** brendan_g has quit IRC 2008-11-25T12:06:31 *** wlayton_work has quit IRC 2008-11-25T12:17:20 *** eby has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T12:30:15 *** brendan_g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T12:52:20 all you virtualbox freaks will be thrilled that I'm joining your motley crüe 2008-11-25T12:53:09 :) 2008-11-25T12:53:27 dbs: going to start releasing virtbox images? :) 2008-11-25T12:54:05 eeevil: probably, out of sheer laziness. 2008-11-25T12:54:20 mostly interested in using it for testing various distros of course 2008-11-25T12:55:18 yay 2008-11-25T12:56:13 dbs have you given vmware's ESXi product a test? 2008-11-25T12:56:57 performance wise, on par with their enterprise product. 2008-11-25T12:57:31 atheos: no - I've been using vmware server and got sick of having to do various workarounds every time my kernel upgraded 2008-11-25T12:58:35 ah, well ESXi is standalone, which certainly isn't as convenient as server. 2008-11-25T12:58:37 atheos: looks pretty good though - I imagine Xen is squeezing them at the higher end now 2008-11-25T13:00:00 yea, virtualization is a competitive market. I'm looking forward to seeing how Suns new product will compare with vmware. they claim it will natively read/write to vmware enterprise images, so they are obviously going after their customer base. 2008-11-25T13:01:10 plus, after what it costs for vmware enterprise, evergreen Indiana will be very receptive to alternatives 2008-11-25T13:01:44 heh 2008-11-25T13:09:22 *** brendan_g has quit IRC 2008-11-25T13:09:42 ah... while we're on this... are we going to have a vmware image of 1.4rc2? 2008-11-25T13:11:00 how about a virtualbox image? 2008-11-25T13:16:06 kgs: seriously, I'm installing OpenSRF on this fresh ubuntu 8.04 image right now 2008-11-25T13:19:45 fabu! 2008-11-25T13:19:50 dbs++ 2008-11-25T13:22:58 *** wlayton has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T13:34:42 *** mib_2z26ib has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T13:37:30 hello. I need some help installing evergreen server. I already have installed all pre-requisites. but in step 2 building the source. the link to building and installing opnsrf has no information. help please 2008-11-25T13:42:56 *** brendan_g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T13:45:05 mib_2z26ib: can you give us the link to the instructions you're following? 2008-11-25T13:47:44 *** melissa_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T13:48:05 yay, the little opensrf ease-of-installation work I've been doing seems to work relatively nicely 2008-11-25T13:48:42 now to install EG 1.4rc2 2008-11-25T13:49:11 *** scsl has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T13:49:45 mib_2z26ib here's the link http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=generic_installation_information 2008-11-25T13:50:02 oh, mib_2z26ib, you want to use distro-specific instructions if at all possible 2008-11-25T13:50:17 what distribution & version are you installing on? 2008-11-25T13:50:56 i want to install opensrf 1.0.1 2008-11-25T13:51:23 ohh sorry . I am installing on a MAC 10.4 2008-11-25T13:51:30 *** scsl has quit IRC 2008-11-25T13:51:39 installing the server not client yet 2008-11-25T13:52:13 mib_2z26ib: ah... there are no distro-specific instructions for that, I'm afraid. interested in writing some? 2008-11-25T13:52:40 atheos pasted "good luck with evergreen/osx" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71033 2008-11-25T13:52:41 if my installation success. yes 2008-11-25T13:52:56 there's where I gave up on it. perhaps it can be useful to you 2008-11-25T13:53:03 mib_2z26ib: cool 2008-11-25T13:54:42 atheos: man! painful. 2008-11-25T13:55:08 I wonder if the autotools-ization will have helped the actual configure /compile step at least 2008-11-25T13:55:12 yea, I like punishment. that was after my evergreen solaris attempt 2008-11-25T13:56:39 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T13:57:02 dunno. Debian has been good to me, so I haven't tried to work through those issues 2008-11-25T13:57:20 hey jamesrf - brandon had said that sitka would like an ILS-Contrib directory to hold circ rules, customizations, and other config stuff 2008-11-25T13:57:46 I replied, saying "send me the email addresses and names of those who should have access" and have heard nothing since 2008-11-25T13:57:53 was going to use slackware for the Evergreen Indiana servers, but I figured esi wouldn't like that too much 2008-11-25T13:58:22 ok i'll email it to you 2008-11-25T13:58:24 kgs: did you know that http://www.zotero.org/support/screencast_tutorials is powered by dokuwiki? 2008-11-25T13:58:32 jamesrf++ 2008-11-25T13:59:38 dbs no, but it also has obviously had a lot of development 2008-11-25T13:59:54 if you're volunteering to do that work, I'm all about it ;) 2008-11-25T14:00:42 plus from looking at it it's a series of single pages featuring tutorials 2008-11-25T14:00:45 kgs: mostly wanted to point at what's possible - although I would be surprised if GMU wasn't willing to share 2008-11-25T14:01:12 I've seen a lot of what's possible w/dokuwiki but it assumes a lot of development 2008-11-25T14:01:24 sure. share w/whom? me? 2008-11-25T14:01:25 kgs: right, but there was someone on the list who said they had a number of screencasts - this would be a nice way to put them together 2008-11-25T14:01:49 the approach is certainly nice 2008-11-25T14:02:09 kgs: I dunno, maybe we'll get some more volunteers for christmas 2008-11-25T14:02:20 dbs that would be cool :) 2008-11-25T14:10:30 i'll contact gmu anyway and see if I can't make those happen on my personal installation of dokuwiki 2008-11-25T14:10:55 since I'm not sure the debian install can support the latest-greatest plugins 2008-11-25T14:12:03 groovy - at some point there will be an upgrade 2008-11-25T14:12:49 jamesrf: got it - cool. will hook you up with accounts and a directory shortly 2008-11-25T14:25:53 whoa, accidentaly scrolled up while looking at google cal. and it jumped to the next month. who knew 2008-11-25T14:28:44 he 2008-11-25T14:28:46 heh 2008-11-25T14:35:55 hello i am following steps from readme to install opensrf but the make -f src/extras/makefile.install os x 10.4 says no rule to make target OS X 10.4 stop 2008-11-25T14:37:15 mib_2z26ib: a mac install isn't really supported yet. atheos posted some of his notes from an earlier attempt which may help: http://paste.lisp.org/display/71033 2008-11-25T14:40:36 *** eeevil has quit IRC 2008-11-25T14:44:01 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T14:44:35 jamesrf: let me know if you receive my email, please? 2008-11-25T14:48:11 dbs pasted "jamesrf: sitka doesn't like me" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71037 2008-11-25T14:48:30 dbs: got it 2008-11-25T14:48:38 ah, good 2008-11-25T14:58:05 if you were a Facebook item for the Evergreen confernece, would you be a group or a page? 2008-11-25T14:59:21 *** brendan_g has quit IRC 2008-11-25T15:02:38 kgs: How about an Event, "hosted" by the existing Evergreen Facebook group? 2008-11-25T15:03:08 wlayton that makes a lot of sense 2008-11-25T15:03:19 I keep going back and forth, page, group, page, group 2008-11-25T15:03:26 so Event! 2008-11-25T15:05:20 hi atheos i read your documentation about installing evergreen server in mac I have all those packages already. i used fink too 2008-11-25T15:06:55 mib_2z26ib: what happened when you tried running ./configure in OpenSRF source dir? 2008-11-25T15:07:17 atheos , i run the configuration and installation for opnsrf but says warning you should use --build, --host, --target 2008-11-25T15:07:53 anythig you can suggest? 2008-11-25T15:08:28 mib_2z26ib: not sure if this will help, but there are specific options suggested for configure here: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.0.1:ubuntu810:install 2008-11-25T15:08:52 you have to get opensrf running first before you can tackle evergreen 2008-11-25T15:09:11 ok. thanks for the link I'll read it 2008-11-25T15:34:02 mib_2z26ib: it may also be worth putting an inquiry out on the general mailing lists. There are some "stealth" installs of Evergreen out there and someone may have tackled the Mac on the side; I think at least one person did it with FreeBSD in the early days of EG 2008-11-25T15:44:10 *** melissa_ has quit IRC 2008-11-25T15:45:47 sitka++ 2008-11-25T15:45:55 # posting examples 2008-11-25T15:47:16 i'm not sure what we're going to post yet 2008-11-25T15:47:26 i guess circ scripts 2008-11-25T15:47:54 and i have a little script that is like a patron activity simulator cronjob 2008-11-25T15:49:00 jamesrf: curious, what does it do? 2008-11-25T15:50:23 you give it a CSV of patron ids and random numbers 2008-11-25T15:50:29 phasefx_: I think artunit had it running on OS X at some point 2008-11-25T15:50:41 it uses those numbers to make the patron randomly visit the library, randomly check in their books, randomly check out a random number of books 2008-11-25T15:51:05 jamesrf: for load testing? 2008-11-25T15:51:09 jamesrf: cool. I've been thinking it would be nice to build a load-testing harness 2008-11-25T15:51:19 not really for load testing but it could be the startings for that 2008-11-25T15:51:28 it was more so we had some data for doing reports training 2008-11-25T15:51:36 ahhh, ok 2008-11-25T15:51:46 with tweakable variables to reflect different activity percentages (academic vs public, par example 2008-11-25T15:52:26 * berick needs to update Constrictor and put up a page about it 2008-11-25T15:53:01 yeah i'm trying to clean it up a bit, i wrote it using oils_header but since then i've improved my opensrfing skills 2008-11-25T15:53:54 * berick pictures hang-10 2008-11-25T15:55:18 SimLibrary 2008-11-25T15:57:01 berick: is constrictor available anywhere? 2008-11-25T15:57:11 if you were an Evergreen conference tagline what would you be? ;) 2008-11-25T15:57:23 this can change... 2008-11-25T15:58:04 i say the more evergreen puns the better 2008-11-25T15:58:19 dbs: it's currently in a locked-down repo. lemme see about opening it up... 2008-11-25T15:59:05 berick: I just assumed it was an Equinox tool for system sizing, etc, that you wanted to keep for competitive purposes (which I wouldn't blame you at all for, you have to make money somehow) 2008-11-25T15:59:21 *** brendan_g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T15:59:27 jamesrf++ I'm going with something orthodox for now... but you're right 2008-11-25T15:59:35 EvergreenCon 1.0: Let's spruce things up 2008-11-25T15:59:44 actually, it was funded as an open-source project. i just want to make sure it's tidy before i open it up 2008-11-25T15:59:57 jamesrf++ 2008-11-25T16:00:19 although that makes it sound like EG is currently shabby 2008-11-25T16:07:40 i did not know that turpentine comes from pine trees 2008-11-25T16:08:40 jamesrf: I think I voted for "turpentine" when PINES was trying to decide on a name 2008-11-25T16:10:11 heh 2008-11-25T16:13:39 dbs: http://open-ils.org/~erickson/constrictor-trunk.tar.gz unpack, cd into root dir, run: python constrictor.py 2008-11-25T16:13:47 it will run the sample code 2008-11-25T16:14:07 the EG contrib stuff won't work because the opensrf/EG python bits need to be updated 2008-11-25T16:14:12 in constrictor 2008-11-25T16:14:29 my plan is to migrate the repo to ILS-Contrib when I get a chance 2008-11-25T16:15:14 *** DoomsDave has quit IRC 2008-11-25T16:16:24 the data it collects goes into the constrictor.db sqlite file 2008-11-25T16:16:52 berick++ # awesome, I look forward to trying it out 2008-11-25T16:18:51 ah, I have a fix for eg_db_config.pl that will probably be necessary for anyone trying to follow the instructions. 2008-11-25T16:18:56 clean_installs++ 2008-11-25T16:18:57 dbs-- 2008-11-25T16:21:19 Turpentine would have been great... have you ever tried following feeds for Evergreen and Equinox? Lots of noise, my friends. Lots of noise. 2008-11-25T16:21:26 Can't wait for FulfILLment... sigh 2008-11-25T16:21:36 ;_) 2008-11-25T16:21:39 ;-) 2008-11-25T16:22:40 speaking of which... I've set up my own "Planet Coffeecode" feed aggregator for various feeds, and it's trivial for an out-of-the-box look and feel 2008-11-25T16:23:21 I would be happy to throw one together for Evergreen, either on coffeecode or on the poor old open-ils.org box 2008-11-25T16:34:51 what would it do? 2008-11-25T16:36:36 kgs: like planet code4lib, except specific to evergreen 2008-11-25T16:37:22 sort of like what http://www.ohloh.net/projects/evergreen/rss_articles does, but with the full content of the articles rather than just snippets 2008-11-25T16:37:31 that's a very nifty idea! 2008-11-25T16:37:59 we've scaled enough to make that likely -- mark leggott's posts, equinox, evergreen, whatnot 2008-11-25T16:38:11 would you be able to bring in category posts? 2008-11-25T16:38:54 kgs: you mean, like restrict the feed to things that the author specifically tags or categorizes as evergreen? 2008-11-25T16:39:04 if so, it depends on the author's blog software 2008-11-25T16:39:05 yes 2008-11-25T16:39:27 that would be great 2008-11-25T16:39:47 it would have one leg up on Planet C4L where they fuss about non-tech posts 2008-11-25T16:42:40 that's usually me doing the fussing :) 2008-11-25T16:44:05 * dbs realizes that he has to figure out how to enable IP access to the virtualbox instance 2008-11-25T16:45:02 dbs: that's my only gripe with vbox 2008-11-25T16:45:23 http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148 2008-11-25T16:45:46 maybe it would be easier to just install a barebones X config + firefox + xulrunner and avoid the whole network mess 2008-11-25T16:46:07 berick: yeah, I saw that page and kinda flinched 2008-11-25T16:46:31 dbs: that's what I did at ALA ;) evergreen-ACQ + fluxbox + firefox 2008-11-25T16:56:48 ooh, postgresql 8.3 gets really nasty 2008-11-25T16:57:22 dbs pasted "pgsql 8.3 gets nastier - yeah, I know why" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71042 2008-11-25T17:00:16 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2008-11-25T17:10:04 someone knows what to pass for --build,--host, --target when compiling opensrf for MAC 2008-11-25T17:13:06 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2008-11-25T17:15:31 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T17:15:58 ugh, xdm + firefox = + 262 MB 2008-11-25T17:16:16 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T17:59:55 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-11-25T18:15:19 *** eby has quit IRC 2008-11-25T18:39:51 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T18:40:33 *** mib_2z26ib has quit IRC 2008-11-25T18:56:16 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-11-25T20:04:18 *** eby has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T20:12:05 dbs: backporting the change to the vandelay schema is fine by me. I doubt it has much to do with import speed, but it certainly is better in any case 2008-11-25T20:13:52 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-11-25T20:16:41 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-11-25T20:35:09 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T20:37:58 *** dbs_mad has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T20:38:19 grr, dbs hates hates hates when his laptop crashes for no apparent reason 2008-11-25T20:38:31 miker_: cool, I'll backport away 2008-11-25T20:39:36 also, that change to eg_db_config.pl isn't critical for those who follow instructions; if you're cocky like me and forget to copy the opensrf.xml.example from EG over opensrf.xml from osrf, though, then you need the change 2008-11-25T20:40:25 and with that - time to reboot the laptop and see how much damage occurred to the virtualbox image (which I had auto-booting into X with EG starting and firefox launching to http://localhost/ ... sigh) 2008-11-25T20:40:30 *** dbs_mad has quit IRC 2008-11-25T20:45:42 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T20:49:31 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2008-11-25T21:03:20 *** brendan_g_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T21:05:46 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T21:06:24 *** brendan_g has quit IRC 2008-11-25T21:15:44 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T21:16:21 *** brendan_g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T21:23:51 *** brendan_g_ has quit IRC 2008-11-25T21:30:18 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2008-11-25T21:30:45 512MB for a full Evergreen stack + X + staff client might be cutting it a bit too close 2008-11-25T21:44:28 *** dbs_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T21:45:33 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-11-25T21:46:09 *** dbs_ is now known as dbs 2008-11-25T21:46:31 * dbs starts a collection for the "buy dbs a non-crashy laptop" fund 2008-11-25T21:46:43 dbs: i think you should run open office as well 2008-11-25T21:46:55 berick: hah :) 2008-11-25T21:47:28 use OOo's database forms module to generate reports? 2008-11-25T21:47:39 there ya go 2008-11-25T21:47:45 * dbs bumps up the virtualbox image to 1024MB 2008-11-25T21:48:19 okay, fourth time's a charm 2008-11-25T21:48:35 (he said, a little fearfully) 2008-11-25T21:49:16 * djfiander thinks about writing, "MARC Holdings Data: A Programmer's Critique" 2008-11-25T21:57:49 * berick waits for the comic book 2008-11-25T21:59:28 the chronology stuff all seems to sort of assume 'year, month, day, blah blah blah' for the subfields, without actually saying more than 'first level of chronology, second level of chron, etc.' 2008-11-25T22:06:08 wow, apache is killing this system 2008-11-25T22:07:28 scalping it? 2008-11-25T22:08:01 owww 2008-11-25T22:08:13 * djfiander , PI (Politically Incorrect) 2008-11-25T22:11:48 *** wlayton has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-11-25T22:14:32 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2008-11-25T22:16:38 *** brandonc_minot has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-11-25T22:29:40 *** rsinger_ is now known as rsinger 2008-11-25T22:32:08 yay, I think I've got a working virtualbox image, packaged with a staff client and browser 2008-11-25T22:42:57 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2008-11-25T23:17:54 and now I don't have a working image anymore, because I had taken a snapshot and didn't realize there was no way to merge a snapshot back to the base VDI 2008-11-25T23:24:04 And NOW I read http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=23133 while starting the whole damned update process again. argh.