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| # | 12:52:20 | dbs | all you virtualbox freaks will be thrilled that I'm joining your motley crüe |
| # | 12:53:09 | eeevil | :) |
| # | 12:53:27 | eeevil | dbs: going to start releasing virtbox images? :) |
| # | 12:54:05 | dbs | eeevil: probably, out of sheer laziness. |
| # | 12:54:20 | dbs | mostly interested in using it for testing various distros of course |
| # | 12:55:18 | berick | yay |
| # | 12:56:13 | atheos | dbs have you given vmware's ESXi product a test? |
| # | 12:56:57 | atheos | performance wise, on par with their enterprise product. |
| # | 12:57:31 | dbs | atheos: no - I've been using vmware server and got sick of having to do various workarounds every time my kernel upgraded |
| # | 12:58:35 | atheos | ah, well ESXi is standalone, which certainly isn't as convenient as server. |
| # | 12:58:37 | dbs | atheos: looks pretty good though - I imagine Xen is squeezing them at the higher end now |
| # | 13:00:00 | atheos | yea, virtualization is a competitive market. I'm looking forward to seeing how Suns new product will compare with vmware. they claim it will natively read/write to vmware enterprise images, so they are obviously going after their customer base. |
| # | 13:01:10 | atheos | plus, after what it costs for vmware enterprise, evergreen Indiana will be very receptive to alternatives |
| # | 13:01:44 | dbs | heh |
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| # | 13:09:42 | kgs | ah... while we're on this... are we going to have a vmware image of 1.4rc2? |
| # | 13:11:00 | dbs | how about a virtualbox image? |
| # | 13:16:06 | dbs | kgs: seriously, I'm installing OpenSRF on this fresh ubuntu 8.04 image right now |
| # | 13:19:45 | kgs | fabu! |
| # | 13:19:50 | kgs | dbs++ |
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| # | 13:37:30 | mib_2z26ib | hello. I need some help installing evergreen server. I already have installed all pre-requisites. but in step 2 building the source. the link to building and installing opnsrf has no information. help please |
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| # | 13:45:05 | dbs | mib_2z26ib: can you give us the link to the instructions you're following? |
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| # | 13:48:05 | dbs | yay, the little opensrf ease-of-installation work I've been doing seems to work relatively nicely |
| # | 13:48:42 | dbs | now to install EG 1.4rc2 |
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| # | 13:49:45 | mib_2z26ib | mib_2z26ib here's the link http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=generic_installation_information |
| # | 13:50:02 | dbs | oh, mib_2z26ib, you want to use distro-specific instructions if at all possible |
| # | 13:50:17 | dbs | what distribution & version are you installing on? |
| # | 13:50:56 | mib_2z26ib | i want to install opensrf 1.0.1 |
| # | 13:51:23 | mib_2z26ib | ohh sorry . I am installing on a MAC 10.4 |
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| # | 13:51:39 | mib_2z26ib | installing the server not client yet |
| # | 13:52:13 | dbs | mib_2z26ib: ah... there are no distro-specific instructions for that, I'm afraid. interested in writing some? |
| # | 13:52:40 | lisppaste6 | atheos pasted "good luck with evergreen/osx" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71033 |
| # | 13:52:41 | mib_2z26ib | if my installation success. yes |
| # | 13:52:56 | atheos | there's where I gave up on it. perhaps it can be useful to you |
| # | 13:53:03 | dbs | mib_2z26ib: cool |
| # | 13:54:42 | dbs | atheos: man! painful. |
| # | 13:55:08 | dbs | I wonder if the autotools-ization will have helped the actual configure /compile step at least |
| # | 13:55:12 | atheos | yea, I like punishment. that was after my evergreen solaris attempt |
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| # | 13:57:02 | atheos | dunno. Debian has been good to me, so I haven't tried to work through those issues |
| # | 13:57:20 | dbs | hey jamesrf - brandon had said that sitka would like an ILS-Contrib directory to hold circ rules, customizations, and other config stuff |
| # | 13:57:46 | dbs | I replied, saying "send me the email addresses and names of those who should have access" and have heard nothing since |
| # | 13:57:53 | atheos | was going to use slackware for the Evergreen Indiana servers, but I figured esi wouldn't like that too much |
| # | 13:58:22 | jamesrf | ok i'll email it to you |
| # | 13:58:24 | dbs | kgs: did you know that http://www.zotero.org/support/screencast_tutorials is powered by dokuwiki? |
| # | 13:58:32 | dbs | jamesrf++ |
| # | 13:59:38 | kgs | dbs no, but it also has obviously had a lot of development |
| # | 13:59:54 | kgs | if you're volunteering to do that work, I'm all about it ;) |
| # | 14:00:42 | kgs | plus from looking at it it's a series of single pages featuring tutorials |
| # | 14:00:45 | dbs | kgs: mostly wanted to point at what's possible - although I would be surprised if GMU wasn't willing to share |
| # | 14:01:12 | kgs | I've seen a lot of what's possible w/dokuwiki but it assumes a lot of development |
| # | 14:01:24 | kgs | sure. share w/whom? me? |
| # | 14:01:25 | dbs | kgs: right, but there was someone on the list who said they had a number of screencasts - this would be a nice way to put them together |
| # | 14:01:49 | kgs | the approach is certainly nice |
| # | 14:02:09 | dbs | kgs: I dunno, maybe we'll get some more volunteers for christmas |
| # | 14:02:20 | kgs | dbs that would be cool :) |
| # | 14:10:30 | kgs | i'll contact gmu anyway and see if I can't make those happen on my personal installation of dokuwiki |
| # | 14:10:55 | kgs | since I'm not sure the debian install can support the latest-greatest plugins |
| # | 14:12:03 | dbs | groovy - at some point there will be an upgrade |
| # | 14:12:49 | dbs | jamesrf: got it - cool. will hook you up with accounts and a directory shortly |
| # | 14:25:53 | berick | whoa, accidentaly scrolled up while looking at google cal. and it jumped to the next month. who knew |
| # | 14:28:44 | dbs | he |
| # | 14:28:46 | dbs | heh |
| # | 14:35:55 | mib_2z26ib | hello i am following steps from readme to install opensrf but the make -f src/extras/makefile.install os x 10.4 says no rule to make target OS X 10.4 stop |
| # | 14:37:15 | phasefx_ | mib_2z26ib: a mac install isn't really supported yet. atheos posted some of his notes from an earlier attempt which may help: http://paste.lisp.org/display/71033 |
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| # | 14:44:35 | dbs | jamesrf: let me know if you receive my email, please? |
| # | 14:48:11 | lisppaste6 | dbs pasted "jamesrf: sitka doesn't like me" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71037 |
| # | 14:48:30 | jamesrf | dbs: got it |
| # | 14:48:38 | dbs | ah, good |
| # | 14:58:05 | kgs | if you were a Facebook item for the Evergreen confernece, would you be a group or a page? |
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| # | 15:02:38 | wlayton | kgs: How about an Event, "hosted" by the existing Evergreen Facebook group? |
| # | 15:03:08 | kgs | wlayton that makes a lot of sense |
| # | 15:03:19 | kgs | I keep going back and forth, page, group, page, group |
| # | 15:03:26 | kgs | so Event! |
| # | 15:05:20 | mib_2z26ib | hi atheos i read your documentation about installing evergreen server in mac I have all those packages already. i used fink too |
| # | 15:06:55 | dbs | mib_2z26ib: what happened when you tried running ./configure in OpenSRF source dir? |
| # | 15:07:17 | mib_2z26ib | atheos , i run the configuration and installation for opnsrf but says warning you should use --build, --host, --target |
| # | 15:07:53 | mib_2z26ib | anythig you can suggest? |
| # | 15:08:28 | dbs | mib_2z26ib: not sure if this will help, but there are specific options suggested for configure here: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.0.1:ubuntu810:install |
| # | 15:08:52 | dbs | you have to get opensrf running first before you can tackle evergreen |
| # | 15:09:11 | mib_2z26ib | ok. thanks for the link I'll read it |
| # | 15:34:02 | phasefx_ | mib_2z26ib: it may also be worth putting an inquiry out on the general mailing lists. There are some "stealth" installs of Evergreen out there and someone may have tackled the Mac on the side; I think at least one person did it with FreeBSD in the early days of EG |
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| # | 15:45:47 | berick | sitka++ |
| # | 15:45:55 | berick | # posting examples |
| # | 15:47:16 | jamesrf | i'm not sure what we're going to post yet |
| # | 15:47:26 | jamesrf | i guess circ scripts |
| # | 15:47:54 | jamesrf | and i have a little script that is like a patron activity simulator cronjob |
| # | 15:49:00 | berick | jamesrf: curious, what does it do? |
| # | 15:50:23 | jamesrf | you give it a CSV of patron ids and random numbers |
| # | 15:50:29 | dbs | phasefx_: I think artunit had it running on OS X at some point |
| # | 15:50:41 | jamesrf | it uses those numbers to make the patron randomly visit the library, randomly check in their books, randomly check out a random number of books |
| # | 15:51:05 | berick | jamesrf: for load testing? |
| # | 15:51:09 | dbs | jamesrf: cool. I've been thinking it would be nice to build a load-testing harness |
| # | 15:51:19 | jamesrf | not really for load testing but it could be the startings for that |
| # | 15:51:28 | jamesrf | it was more so we had some data for doing reports training |
| # | 15:51:36 | berick | ahhh, ok |
| # | 15:51:46 | dbs | with tweakable variables to reflect different activity percentages (academic vs public, par example |
| # | 15:52:26 | berick needs to update Constrictor and put up a page about it |
| # | 15:53:01 | jamesrf | yeah i'm trying to clean it up a bit, i wrote it using oils_header but since then i've improved my opensrfing skills |
| # | 15:53:54 | berick pictures hang-10 |
| # | 15:55:18 | phasefx_ | SimLibrary |
| # | 15:57:01 | dbs | berick: is constrictor available anywhere? |
| # | 15:57:11 | kgs | if you were an Evergreen conference tagline what would you be? ;) |
| # | 15:57:23 | kgs | this can change... |
| # | 15:58:04 | jamesrf | i say the more evergreen puns the better |
| # | 15:58:19 | berick | dbs: it's currently in a locked-down repo. lemme see about opening it up... |
| # | 15:59:05 | dbs | berick: I just assumed it was an Equinox tool for system sizing, etc, that you wanted to keep for competitive purposes (which I wouldn't blame you at all for, you have to make money somehow) |
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| # | 15:59:27 | kgs | jamesrf++ I'm going with something orthodox for now... but you're right |
| # | 15:59:35 | jamesrf | EvergreenCon 1.0: Let's spruce things up |
| # | 15:59:44 | berick | actually, it was funded as an open-source project. i just want to make sure it's tidy before i open it up |
| # | 15:59:57 | dbs | jamesrf++ |
| # | 16:00:19 | dbs | although that makes it sound like EG is currently shabby |
| # | 16:07:40 | jamesrf | i did not know that turpentine comes from pine trees |
| # | 16:08:40 | eeevil | jamesrf: I think I voted for "turpentine" when PINES was trying to decide on a name |
| # | 16:10:11 | dbs | heh |
| # | 16:13:39 | berick | dbs: http://open-ils.org/~erickson/constrictor-trunk.tar.gz unpack, cd into root dir, run: python constrictor.py |
| # | 16:13:47 | berick | it will run the sample code |
| # | 16:14:07 | berick | the EG contrib stuff won't work because the opensrf/EG python bits need to be updated |
| # | 16:14:12 | berick | in constrictor |
| # | 16:14:29 | berick | my plan is to migrate the repo to ILS-Contrib when I get a chance |
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| # | 16:16:24 | berick | the data it collects goes into the constrictor.db sqlite file |
| # | 16:16:52 | dbs | berick++ # awesome, I look forward to trying it out |
| # | 16:18:51 | dbs | ah, I have a fix for eg_db_config.pl that will probably be necessary for anyone trying to follow the instructions. |
| # | 16:18:56 | dbs | clean_installs++ |
| # | 16:18:57 | dbs | dbs-- |
| # | 16:21:19 | kgs | Turpentine would have been great... have you ever tried following feeds for Evergreen and Equinox? Lots of noise, my friends. Lots of noise. |
| # | 16:21:26 | kgs | Can't wait for FulfILLment... sigh |
| # | 16:21:36 | kgs | ;_) |
| # | 16:21:39 | kgs | ;-) |
| # | 16:22:40 | dbs | speaking of which... I've set up my own "Planet Coffeecode" feed aggregator for various feeds, and it's trivial for an out-of-the-box look and feel |
| # | 16:23:21 | dbs | I would be happy to throw one together for Evergreen, either on coffeecode or on the poor old open-ils.org box |
| # | 16:34:51 | kgs | what would it do? |
| # | 16:36:36 | dbs | kgs: like planet code4lib, except specific to evergreen |
| # | 16:37:22 | dbs | sort of like what http://www.ohloh.net/projects/evergreen/rss_articles does, but with the full content of the articles rather than just snippets |
| # | 16:37:31 | kgs | that's a very nifty idea! |
| # | 16:37:59 | kgs | we've scaled enough to make that likely -- mark leggott's posts, equinox, evergreen, whatnot |
| # | 16:38:11 | kgs | would you be able to bring in category posts? |
| # | 16:38:54 | dbs | kgs: you mean, like restrict the feed to things that the author specifically tags or categorizes as evergreen? |
| # | 16:39:04 | dbs | if so, it depends on the author's blog software |
| # | 16:39:05 | kgs | yes |
| # | 16:39:27 | kgs | that would be great |
| # | 16:39:47 | kgs | it would have one leg up on Planet C4L where they fuss about non-tech posts |
| # | 16:42:40 | dbs | that's usually me doing the fussing :) |
| # | 16:44:05 | dbs realizes that he has to figure out how to enable IP access to the virtualbox instance |
| # | 16:45:02 | berick | dbs: that's my only gripe with vbox |
| # | 16:45:23 | berick | http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148 |
| # | 16:45:46 | dbs | maybe it would be easier to just install a barebones X config + firefox + xulrunner and avoid the whole network mess |
| # | 16:46:07 | dbs | berick: yeah, I saw that page and kinda flinched |
| # | 16:46:31 | berick | dbs: that's what I did at ALA ;) evergreen-ACQ + fluxbox + firefox |
| # | 16:56:48 | dbs | ooh, postgresql 8.3 gets really nasty |
| # | 16:57:22 | lisppaste6 | dbs pasted "pgsql 8.3 gets nastier - yeah, I know why" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/71042 |
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| # | 17:10:04 | mib_2z26ib | someone knows what to pass for --build,--host, --target when compiling opensrf for MAC |
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| # | 17:15:58 | dbs | ugh, xdm + firefox = + 262 MB |
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| # | 20:12:05 | miker_ | dbs: backporting the change to the vandelay schema is fine by me. I doubt it has much to do with import speed, but it certainly is better in any case |
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| # | 20:38:19 | dbs_mad | grr, dbs hates hates hates when his laptop crashes for no apparent reason |
| # | 20:38:31 | dbs_mad | miker_: cool, I'll backport away |
| # | 20:39:36 | dbs_mad | also, that change to eg_db_config.pl isn't critical for those who follow instructions; if you're cocky like me and forget to copy the opensrf.xml.example from EG over opensrf.xml from osrf, though, then you need the change |
| # | 20:40:25 | dbs_mad | and with that - time to reboot the laptop and see how much damage occurred to the virtualbox image (which I had auto-booting into X with EG starting and firefox launching to http://localhost/ ... sigh) |
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| # | 21:30:45 | dbs | 512MB for a full Evergreen stack + X + staff client might be cutting it a bit too close |
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| # | 21:46:31 | dbs starts a collection for the "buy dbs a non-crashy laptop" fund |
| # | 21:46:43 | berick | dbs: i think you should run open office as well |
| # | 21:46:55 | dbs | berick: hah :) |
| # | 21:47:28 | dbs | use OOo's database forms module to generate reports? |
| # | 21:47:39 | berick | there ya go |
| # | 21:47:45 | dbs bumps up the virtualbox image to 1024MB |
| # | 21:48:19 | dbs | okay, fourth time's a charm |
| # | 21:48:35 | dbs | (he said, a little fearfully) |
| # | 21:49:16 | djfiander thinks about writing, "MARC Holdings Data: A Programmer's Critique" |
| # | 21:57:49 | berick waits for the comic book |
| # | 21:59:28 | djfiander | the chronology stuff all seems to sort of assume 'year, month, day, blah blah blah' for the subfields, without actually saying more than 'first level of chronology, second level of chron, etc.' |
| # | 22:06:08 | dbs | wow, apache is killing this system |
| # | 22:07:28 | djfiander | scalping it? |
| # | 22:08:01 | dbs | owww |
| # | 22:08:13 | djfiander , PI (Politically Incorrect) |
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| # | 22:32:08 | dbs | yay, I think I've got a working virtualbox image, packaged with a staff client and browser |
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| # | 23:17:54 | dbs | and now I don't have a working image anymore, because I had taken a snapshot and didn't realize there was no way to merge a snapshot back to the base VDI |
| # | 23:24:04 | dbs | And NOW I read http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=23133 while starting the whole damned update process again. argh. |
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