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| # | 03:38:05 | Yancho | is it possible to add more service and credentials which support Z39.50 ? |
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| # | 06:35:32 | hyuntakyoon | Hi all |
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| # | 08:47:03 | Hyuntak | Hi all! |
| # | 08:47:55 | Hyuntak | Can I have a question? |
| # | 08:50:21 | tsbere | Sure. Here you go: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| # | 08:50:38 | tsbere | If you want to *ask* a question, however, just do so. If someone is around that can answer it they will ;) |
| # | 08:51:08 | Hyuntak | Thank you..I`m so fool at English. :< |
| # | 08:52:10 | Hyuntak | My Question is it..At install Evergreen, 'autogen.sh -u' doesn`t run.. |
| # | 08:53:05 | Hyuntak | When I order that, updating orgtree process error.. |
| # | 08:54:44 | Hyuntak | I received a data from 'request opensrf.math add 2 2' order and Settings-tester.pl says everything is OK. |
| # | 09:03:25 | tsbere | Without the error I can't say much |
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| # | 09:08:55 | Hyuntak | OK. Error is it..opensrf@tak-desktop:~$ autogen.sh -u Updating Evergreen organization tree and IDL Updating fieldmapper -> /openils/var/web/opac/common/js//fmall.js Updating web_fieldmapper -> /openils/var/web/opac/common/js//fmcore.js Updating OrgTree Exception: OpenSRF::EX::Session 2012-02-17T23:08:33 OpenSRF::Transport /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenSRF/Transport.pm:83 Session Error: router@private.localhost/open-ils.cstor |
| # | 09:11:40 | tsbere | Looks like your services aren't started. |
| # | 09:12:00 | tsbere | Did you update your config files with the evergreen ones? |
| # | 09:12:50 | Hyuntak | you mean open-ils.cstore? |
| # | 09:13:26 | Hyuntak | well..I don`t know what you say. What update file?? |
| # | 09:13:28 | tsbere | I mean opensrf.xml and opensrf_core.xml |
| # | 09:13:42 | Hyuntak | Oh,,yes. |
| # | 09:14:19 | tsbere | When you installed and tested opensrf you put standalone opensrf versions in. Evergreen, when installed, has new example files that contain the Evergreen services. |
| # | 09:15:12 | Hyuntak | I copied and changed passwords Evergreen`s opensrf_core.xml |
| # | 09:15:17 | Hyuntak | And opensrf.xml |
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| # | 10:00:21 | kivilahtio | #Good evening #evergreen! How do you collect patron history? |
| # | 10:01:10 | kivilahtio | You can see the fines history, but can we collect check out history as well, even anonymously |
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| # | 10:10:01 | kivilahtio | Anyone?? |
| # | 10:10:21 | tsbere | Reports. |
| # | 10:10:28 | kivilahtio | thanks |
| # | 10:14:34 | Hyuntak | What is the problem?? ㅠㅠ |
| # | 10:18:18 | kivilahtio | Hyuntak: Just figuring out how to find patron transaction data |
| # | 10:19:57 | tsbere | kivilahtio: I think Hyuntak is wanting to know what their own problem is. |
| # | 10:20:28 | tsbere | Hyuntak: All I can recommend is double-check your config files are the correct ones, that all passwords are correct, and that you have restarted all services before running autogen. |
| # | 10:21:37 | Hyuntak | tsbere : yeah, I restarted all. (ejabberd, memcached, osrf_ctl). |
| # | 10:22:31 | Hyuntak | It seems 3 weeks that I tried to install Evergreen.. |
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| # | 10:54:34 | moodaepo | Hyuntak: Maybe going through this might help? > http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=troubleshooting:checking_for_errors |
| # | 11:01:11 | Hyuntak | moodaepo Are you Korean??Or can speak Korean? |
| # | 11:03:46 | moodaepo | Hyuntak: Sadly I am not Korean/speak the language, my nick is just a suggestion from a Korean friend of mine : ( |
| # | 11:04:37 | Hyuntak | moodaepo: Sorry............. |
| # | 11:04:44 | moodaepo | You seem very close, looking at your settings_tester results posted to the m,ailing list |
| # | 11:04:51 | moodaepo | *mailing |
| # | 11:05:23 | moodaepo | Are you testing the installation in a virtual machine? |
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| # | 11:14:11 | bshum | Yeah, what's the hardware specs on the machine you're testing with? |
| # | 11:34:06 | Hyuntak | well.....just a PC. |
| # | 11:34:46 | Hyuntak | I want install it not for work, for my study. |
| # | 11:38:39 | Hyuntak | 'Starting OpenSRF C (host=localhost)' means Running open-ils.cstore? |
| # | 11:40:11 | Hyuntak | How to connect open-ils.cstore to the network? |
| # | 11:45:51 | moodaepo | Hyuntak: We think it might just be that there isn't enough RAM (memory) for the Evergreen system and required packages to all run. Are you installing just on your Linux PC? How much RAM do you have installed? |
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| # | 12:17:49 | bshum | Hmm, anyone know how the item type, language, etc. are generated in advanced search for Tpac? I'm assuming it's related in some way to the values stored in config.coded_value_map? |
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| # | 12:24:05 | senator | bshum: basically, select * from config.coded_value_map where ctype = 'item_type'; |
| # | 12:24:08 | senator | or 'item_lang' |
| # | 12:24:08 | senator | etc |
| # | 12:24:33 | senator | Open-ILS/src/templates/opac/parts/coded_value_selector.tt2 has the logic |
| # | 12:25:25 | bshum | senator: Ah, sweet, thank you sir. |
| # | 12:25:38 | bshum | Do you know if it's possible to bind multiple codes to a single type? |
| # | 12:25:59 | bshum | Like say if you wanted "Audiobook" to match on several return types I guess. |
| # | 12:26:10 | bshum | Or I guess I can read the code and see what it says |
| # | 12:26:58 | senator | it is definitely possible to search that way with properly built query parser syntax, but as far as having the tpac widgets give you an option to do that in the dropdown, off the top of my head i don't think that's implemented |
| # | 12:28:36 | senator | oh, i think in misunderstood your question anyway. but you get it. |
| # | 12:30:23 | bshum | Right. |
| # | 12:42:12 | tsbere | Note: The staff client *hates* having part holds on parts that someone deleted. So does the OPAC, for that matter. <_< |
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| # | 13:44:14 | eeevil | bshum: at least two designs exist for such a thing, one based on grouping svf values together (IMO, the more elegant but less general design) and another (actually in development to support kid's opac) based on a saved partial QueryParser queries |
| # | 13:45:02 | bshum | eeevil: I was just pondering the first approach you mentioned. I assume that's how KCLS got item types in their search that don't seem to match anything I've seen before. Like "2" |
| # | 13:45:33 | bshum | eeevil: Where do those get set? I've been slowly going through each table in the database |
| # | 13:45:39 | eeevil | bshum: nope, they have a local marc field that is pointed at by an svf ... so /they/ do the grouping at cataloging time |
| # | 13:45:44 | bshum | Aha |
| # | 13:45:51 | bshum | Yuck :) |
| # | 13:46:04 | bshum | Probably not going to be popular among our catalogers then. |
| # | 13:46:35 | eeevil | well, they cover things not defined in the marc21/aacr2 relator tables, like a "podcast" type |
| # | 13:47:00 | eeevil | but I'm in favor of using the standard where possible as well :) |
| # | 13:47:05 | bshum | Gotcha |
| # | 13:47:37 | kmlussier_ | bshum: What are you trying to do? Coming late to the conversation, it sounds like it might be something we've been pondering for quite some time. |
| # | 13:47:59 | bshum | Well I just went back to the basic jspac we have going in 2.0 and noted to our catalogers that we don't have multiple value search anyways. |
| # | 13:48:10 | bshum | So we're probably just going to adjust the labels associated with different types |
| # | 13:48:17 | eeevil | kmlussier_: you recall the SVF Family Groups we proposed last fall? basically that :) |
| # | 13:48:41 | kmlussier_ | Gotcha! That's what I thought. |
| # | 13:48:52 | eeevil | bshum: jspac, of course, does something different (and archaic) |
| # | 13:49:25 | bshum | Yeah |
| # | 13:49:31 | bshum | I'm trying to get away from jspac |
| # | 13:49:33 | bshum | :) |
| # | 13:50:26 | kmlussier_ | bshum: We might be revisiting SVF family groups again. I'll keep you in the loop if we do. |
| # | 13:50:40 | bshum | kmlussier_: Thanks! That'd be awesome. |
| # | 13:55:26 | bshum | eeevil: And thanks too for your thoughts. |
| # | 13:55:34 | eeevil | np |
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| # | 14:50:04 | jeff tests spans set to display:none in receipt templates |
| # | 14:57:46 | tsbere | jeff: Last I checked, works wonderfully in HTML mode, and usually spits text out in "convert this to text" mode. Useful for, say, replicating HRs with lines of invisible to the HTML rendering dashes. |
| # | 15:02:27 | jeff | in my case, i'm looking to switch to the new method of doing sums, but for a value which is not displayed on each line item. i'll know how it works in a minute or two. |
| # | 15:03:05 | jeff | by the way, thanks for not making <script> tags in templates a fatal error or anything. :-) |
| # | 15:03:08 | jeff | tsbere++ |
| # | 15:05:15 | trobertson | i've been having problems getting the transaction amounts to show up on the slips for bill_payment, prints to the laser pritner ok, just not through the slip printer. |
| # | 15:05:42 | tsbere | trobertson: If it works on the laser ok then I suspect your page size is wrong when printing to the slip printer |
| # | 15:06:18 | trobertson | ah, i've noticed that a few of them get cut off |
| # | 15:07:28 | jeff | tsbere: is print_do_sums expected to work in the template preview? |
| # | 15:07:28 | tsbere | also check for margins |
| # | 15:07:35 | tsbere | jeff: No |
| # | 15:07:39 | jeff | tsbere: gracias. |
| # | 15:08:18 | jeff | trobertson: receipt printers have so many things that can go wrong, i've also seem ones that truncate any long lines -- forcing us to put in hard <br /> on line items that might possibly extend beyond the page. |
| # | 15:08:35 | trobertson goes to look at the circ computers |
| # | 15:10:51 | jeff | success! |
| # | 15:13:55 | jeff | You have borrowed $98.90 worth of items. Thank you for using the library! |
| # | 15:18:04 | bradl | "bring them back, or it's 98 kneecaps" |
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| # | 15:23:10 | jeff | Thank you for your return of 23 items on time yesterday! |
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| # | 15:27:45 | netg00r00 | hello guys.. *waves* |
| # | 15:28:48 | netg00r00 | I am an IT assistant in a library getting ready to move to evergreen.. are there any good online sources I could use to help me learn more about it? |
| # | 15:30:24 | tsbere goes for the snarky "the source code!" response to start with ;) |
| # | 15:30:34 | tsbere | netg00r00: More seriously, which version of evergreen you moving to? |
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| # | 15:33:03 | jeff | netg00r00: welcome! you've found one, for starters. this irc channel can be a great re-- drat. |
| # | 15:33:39 | tsbere | go figure |
| # | 15:34:27 | tsbere | So, working on my mockup of what I want to replace the circ/hold matrix editing interfaces with. Anyone want to throw opinions at me? http://tomtrunk.mvlcstaff.org/mockup.html |
| # | 15:34:48 | bshum | One rule to rule them all! |
| # | 15:35:01 | bshum | Question is whether that's allow circ or deny circ...... |
| # | 15:35:02 | bshum | :) |
| # | 15:35:31 | tsbere | bshum: In the one rule world I think rule 1 is "there are no rules" :) |
| # | 15:35:43 | bshum | tsbere++ |
| # | 15:36:20 | bshum | On serious note, I like the concept, though having test users / items seems very specific. Though probably quite helpful to sort out possibilities. |
| # | 15:37:08 | tsbere | bshum: The goal would be "you input any user and any item you want" |
| # | 15:37:34 | tsbere | Perhaps to say "why did that come up with that duration rule?" - Plug the data in, get the full rule set that applied |
| # | 15:37:46 | bshum | Quite reasonable to me. |
| # | 15:38:59 | tsbere | If I ever add a "random factor" to rule weighting, though, we can get *really* fun rules. "Oh, it is tuesday, the random number generator likes to reject patrons for no good reason on tuesdays." ;) |
| # | 15:48:54 | bshum | Heh |
| # | 15:49:25 | trobertson back finally from circ |
| # | 15:53:00 | tsbere | For my mockup there I wonder if having the double-row is going to just confuse people, even with proper styling. :/ |
| # | 15:58:04 | jeff | if you find yourself in the situation of needing to change the server hostname in your staff clients, but want to keep the workstation registrations the same, something like this could help: https://gist.github.com/90f30f3ca4e9c879e285 |
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| # | 15:59:08 | jeff | I didn't come up with a "great" way of manipulating JSON on Windows, but Python ended up being the first thing where 1) I knew the language and 2) I found a fast way to turn it into something that can be called on Windows clients from a network drive, without needing to install anything additional on the clients. |
| # | 15:59:19 | jeff | py2exe worked very well. |
| # | 15:59:34 | jeff | in ways it seems a bit dirty, but it works. |
| # | 15:59:37 | tsbere would have just deployed windows sed |
| # | 16:00:10 | jeff | in this case, i wanted to leave the original values in place, not simply replace them. |
| # | 16:00:34 | jeff | but that would have been a simpler solution, i think. :-) |
| # | 16:00:42 | tsbere | I would probably have gone with a custom.js hack-trick then. <_< I had some code that could duplicate a WS registration at one point |
| # | 16:01:06 | jeff | cool. |
| # | 16:01:08 | tsbere | Granted that only catches those who actually log in......... |
| # | 16:08:30 | jeff | chicken, meet egg? ;-) |
| # | 16:08:55 | tsbere | jeff: You replacing the prev server name too? :p |
| # | 16:12:02 | jeff | if put in place on the previous, you'd have to have enough lead time for everyone to log into the previous at least once before you cut over to the new. |
| # | 16:14:10 | tsbere | jeff: Personally, I would see "changing server names" as a good excuse for "clear out old unused workstation IDs" ;) |
| # | 16:17:49 | bshum | kmlussier++ #helping me figure out advanced search in tpac :) |
| # | 16:19:37 | kmlussier_ | Happy to hear it worked! :-) |
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| # | 17:50:55 | moodaepo | Hmm while installing master noticed that eg_db_config.pl didn't update the db info under the section <open-ils.qstore> |
| # | 17:51:11 | moodaepo | Clean install |
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| # | 19:13:28 | bshum | moodaepo: Hmm, how about that.... it didn't on our master install either. |
| # | 19:13:53 | bshum | Wonder what qstore does |
| # | 19:14:25 | tsbere | qstore is the query store |
| # | 19:14:30 | tsbere | And I don't think I have ever seen it being used |
| # | 19:14:32 | tsbere | <_< |
| # | 19:15:43 | bshum | Yeah doesn't look to be called in the active apps |
| # | 19:16:06 | bshum | Probably why nothing seems broken |
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| # | 20:13:33 | enhancin__ | Would there be use for a utility that helps automate the import process for bibliographic and item records? I have a bunch of my scripts from when I did 150,000 books and split them into 5000 chunk sizes. I was going to try to compile them all into one utility that i could use in the future over the weekend. |
| # | 20:48:36 | tsbere | enhancin__: Generically useful utilities are always useful. Especially with more and more libraries interested in the software. |
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