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| # | 04:34:10 | adm_ils | hi..anybody around? |
| # | 04:34:23 | adm_ils | i need help urgently |
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| # | 07:18:50 | adm_ils | Exception: OpenSRF::EX::ERROR 2011-11-08T01:07:49 OpenILS::Application::Trigger::Event /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenILS/Application/Trigger/Event.pm:498 System ERROR: lineitems is not a field on Fieldmapper::action::circulation Please repair the environment.-------------i am getting following error when u test action trigger |
| # | 07:34:05 | adm_ils | Exception: OpenSRF::EX::ERROR 2011-11-08T01:07:49 OpenILS::Application::Trigger::Event /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenILS/Application/Trigger/Event.pm:498 System ERROR: lineitems is not a field on Fieldmapper::action::circulation Please repair the environment.-------------i am getting following error when u test action trigger |
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| # | 08:38:18 | adm_ils | ne1 can ans me? plz |
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| # | 08:57:41 | Dyrcona make clean in perlmods doesn't delete Cronscript.pm, so if you've ever installed from your working directory and there are changes to Cronscript.pm, you don't get 'em. |
| # | 08:59:36 | Dyrcona | Yuk. It's worse than that..... |
| # | 09:01:56 | Dyrcona | git clean -f -d fixes it. |
| # | 09:02:27 | Dyrcona | Important note if you're building/upgrading via git, I guess. |
| # | 09:03:35 | Dyrcona | Looks like it affects more than just Cronsctipt.pm. |
| # | 09:03:45 | Dyrcona | Explains some weirdness on my dev machine. |
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| # | 09:05:33 | Dyrcona | tsbere: When you get back to your seat, I'd appreciate it if you could share with me the URL that you're using to download XulRunner. |
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| # | 09:11:21 | Dyrcona | tsbere: not so important now. using version 3.6.24 resolves my immediate problem. |
| # | 09:12:37 | tsbere | phasefx: :( ignoreWhitespace breaks loading marc records, apparently.....but the prettyPrinting = false alone seems to fix the issues with the editor. |
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| # | 09:16:16 | Dyrcona | tsbere: So, I can tell Vickie it should be fixed? |
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| # | 09:16:28 | tsbere | Dyrcona: I wouldn't if I were you. |
| # | 09:16:29 | Dyrcona | nm. you beat me to it. |
| # | 09:16:31 | tsbere | yea |
| # | 09:16:59 | Dyrcona | *bad german accent* I know nothink! |
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| # | 09:35:46 | Dyrcona | oops. found a typo. |
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| # | 09:39:07 | Dyrcona | most embarrassing thing about it, it's in code that I wrote and dbs committed. :( |
| # | 09:39:21 | dbs | Dyrcona: oh noes |
| # | 09:40:43 | dbs | Dyrcona: please don't leave me hanging |
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| # | 09:41:52 | Dyrcona | dbs: In the authenticate method of Cronscript.pm, I have Opensrf::AppSession and it should be OpenSRF::Appsession. |
| # | 09:42:01 | Dyrcona | https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/888092 |
| # | 09:42:24 | Dyrcona | err... OpenSRF::AppSession..... dumb fingers. |
| # | 09:42:26 | dbs | ah, good, code that's not used by anything else yet right? |
| # | 09:42:33 | Dyrcona | right. |
| # | 09:42:38 | Dyrcona | so far, just me using it. |
| # | 09:43:37 | dbs | http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/waterfall shows that we have testing clients that are still offline that prolly should have caught that - will poke the clients |
| # | 09:44:04 | dbs notes that evergreen master on ubuntu 8.04 is probably not such a burning need anymore |
| # | 09:45:10 | dbs kicks csharp - hey, wake up yer buildslaves! |
| # | 09:45:47 | dbs | hmm, no reported errors in http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builders/evergreen-master-debian-6.00-x86_64/builds/921/steps/test/logs/stdio |
| # | 09:46:54 | tsbere | dbs: Unused code that doesn't appear to fail until you attempt to use it not reporting errors? Makes perfect sense to me. |
| # | 09:47:50 | dbs | tsbere: ah, of course you're right. haven't had my coffee yet. |
| # | 09:48:41 | dbs | That does nicely underscore the need for tests that actually exercise code, though, rather than our (mostly) "use_ok" basic syntax check |
| # | 09:50:09 | dbs maybe blind, doesn't see "Opensrf" anywhere |
| # | 09:50:50 | dbs | oh, looking at Cronscript.pm, not Cronscript.pm.in. hmm |
| # | 09:50:59 | tsbere | That is a different apparent bug |
| # | 09:51:10 | tsbere | Cronscript.pm doesn't get re-built when the .in version changes. |
| # | 09:51:15 | tsbere | And make clean doesn't wipe it out either |
| # | 09:51:42 | dbs | you have to run ./configure to make the not-.in version |
| # | 09:51:55 | dbs | also, see cmake |
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| # | 09:53:03 | Dyrcona | dbs: thanks. |
| # | 09:53:05 | dbs tries ./configure |
| # | 09:53:31 | dbs | crap. I give up. |
| # | 09:54:07 | dbs | actually ... make clean _made_ Cronscript.pm |
| # | 09:54:35 | dbs | @hate autotools |
| # | 09:54:35 | pinesol_green` | dbs: Error: "hate" is not a valid command. |
| # | 09:57:01 | Dyrcona | autotools-- |
| # | 09:57:38 | Dyrcona | dbs: http://pastebin.com/p4ZJyQXh |
| # | 09:57:41 | dbs | probably "./configure && make" is required |
| # | 09:57:52 | Dyrcona | happens when trying to authenticate. |
| # | 09:58:13 | dbs | fabulous |
| # | 09:58:15 | Dyrcona | something else is wrong with the authenticate method, so I'll update my branch further when I have fixed it. |
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| # | 09:59:06 | dbs looks around to see where his login test script went |
| # | 09:59:29 | Dyrcona | wait a minute.... maybe its my client code causing the error. |
| # | 09:59:41 | dbs | yep, ./configure && make definitely regenerates Cronscript.pm |
| # | 09:59:52 | dbs | Dyrcona: that's kind of what I was thinking |
| # | 10:00:07 | Dyrcona | yep, bad hashref member. |
| # | 10:00:20 | dbs doesn't have a native Evergreen test env at the moment, was just in the middle of reconfiguring ejabberd etc after the upgrade to F16 |
| # | 10:01:44 | dbs wonders whether ejabberd max_fsm_queue = 1000 is reasonable for Evergreen; looks like a recent addition to ejabberd.cfg per https://support.process-one.net/browse/EJAB-1185 |
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| # | 10:06:07 | tsbere | dbs: Is that enabled by default now? |
| # | 10:06:27 | dbs | tsbere: as of F16 it is, also added to debian according to the bug |
| # | 10:07:17 | tsbere | Hmmm |
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| # | 10:10:05 | dbs | I guess we'll need to watch the ejabberd logs and see if any warnings come up |
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| # | 10:29:23 | tsbere | looks like ubuntu 10.04 doesn't get that setting in any ejabberd files. Yet. |
| # | 10:30:17 | dbs | I would be surprised if they slid that into existing distro versions, but hey, it's a crazy world |
| # | 10:32:00 | tsbere | Well, my test system has piles o backports branches enabled |
| # | 10:32:12 | tsbere | So I wouldn't be surprised if it does show up eventually |
| # | 10:34:15 | Dyrcona wonders if anyone would like this http://pastebin.com/8AkGp7Av added to OpenILS::Application::AppUtils? I use it an awful lot, myself. |
| # | 10:41:45 | dbs | Dyrcona: only if you replace the duplicated code in O:A:Vandelay and O:A:Acq:Order with calls to your function |
| # | 10:41:53 | dbs | which would be a big +1 from me |
| # | 10:42:48 | dbs | Dyrcona: and arguably, put it in O:Utils::Normalize instead |
| # | 10:43:22 | Dyrcona | dbs; ok. will look at that later. |
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| # | 10:45:19 | phasefx | tsbere: where is the ignoreWhitespace change breaking things? |
| # | 10:45:46 | tsbere | phasefx: Apparently anywhere "new XML(" is called. :/ |
| # | 10:46:02 | tsbere | Most noticable when you load the marc edit window from an existing record |
| # | 10:46:41 | tsbere | Removing the "XML.ignoreWhitespace = false" line (and comment, why not) seems to fix that and lets the editor not break on excess whitespace |
| # | 10:55:00 | phasefx | tsbere: I can't get any error to happen :( |
| # | 10:55:42 | phasefx | using the marc editor with New Marc, from the z39.50 interface, or .. ah, existing record does break |
| # | 10:56:22 | phasefx grumbles |
| # | 10:56:38 | tsbere | Some interfaces just end up with it silently failing with a silent javascript notice. Others.....well, you can see what others do. |
| # | 10:57:37 | phasefx | return of the syntax error |
| # | 10:57:48 | phasefx | but untrapped this time |
| # | 10:58:07 | tsbere | But prettyPrinting = false alone seems to fix things without syntax errors |
| # | 10:59:09 | dbs | if only XUL had native MARC / MARCXML support |
| # | 10:59:19 | phasefx | tsbere: you have a branch? (I'm fine just doing it and pushing such a change without a signoff, but crossing t's and dotting i's, etc.) |
| # | 10:59:31 | tsbere | phasefx: I can have a commit shortly. |
| # | 10:59:50 | phasefx | tsbere: cool deal, will give it a test, etc. |
| # | 11:00:06 | phasefx | MARC as a first-class datatype |
| # | 11:00:23 | phasefx writes to the ecmascript folks |
| # | 11:01:14 | tsbere | phasefx: Dropped a commit onto http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/tsbere/fix_marc_edit_whitespace |
| # | 11:02:06 | dbs | Dyrcona: this should make you happier about your 6000 bad 008 fields: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM metabib.full_rec WHERE tag = '008' AND char_length(value) != 40; returns 908302 for us |
| # | 11:03:29 | dbs | 39733 with a 008 length > 40 - great |
| # | 11:03:59 | dbs | 1436531 with a 008 length = 40 |
| # | 11:04:59 | Dyrcona | dbs: We have some with a length of 347. They appear to have fields from the marc editor of our previous ils pasted in them. |
| # | 11:06:25 | phasefx | tsbere++ tested well for me, committing |
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| # | 11:17:17 | dbs | Dyrcona: ah, 50 is our longest |
| # | 11:53:18 | Dyrcona | dbs: http://pastebin.com/gLQKCjLM |
| # | 11:54:22 | dbs | Dyrcona: looks nice, something like that should probably get tacked onto the "MARC Editor eats my whitespace babies" bug |
| # | 12:10:51 | Dyrcona | dbs: I'll remove the authentication bits and add it as a comment on the bug. |
| # | 12:13:11 | bshum | Hmm, is there any way to alter the ZIP code file so that it works with XXXXX-XXXX (the full zip code) for autofill? So far, adding it as such in the file doesn't seem to do anything, hardcoded styling to only the first 5 digits in the patron registration form? |
| # | 12:13:26 | bshum | Sorry, full US zip |
| # | 12:14:05 | tsbere | I don't think that there is a hardcode to 5 digits in the patron registration form |
| # | 12:14:15 | tsbere | But there might be in reading the zip code file |
| # | 12:14:16 | bshum | Hmm, maybe it's an order problem in the file |
| # | 12:14:24 | bshum | Oh |
| # | 12:14:26 | bshum | Didn't think of that |
| # | 12:14:27 | gmcharlt | yes, there is currently a harded-coded assumption |
| # | 12:14:52 | gmcharlt | i.e., the ZIP code search string is truncated to its first five digits |
| # | 12:15:15 | tsbere | gmcharlt: Similar to the hard coded assumption in the jspac that phone numbers look like ###-###-#### and aren't any longer than that? <_< |
| # | 12:15:22 | tsbere hates hard coded assumptions |
| # | 12:15:34 | gmcharlt | tsbere: how very un-American of you ;) |
| # | 12:15:37 | tsbere knows he has created them in the past though |
| # | 12:16:02 | tsbere | gmcharlt: It is very american of me. I hate it when other people make them, and then make them myself. :P |
| # | 12:16:08 | gmcharlt | bshum: if you're inclined to play around the code, look at the search_zips routine of ./Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Search/Zips.pm |
| # | 12:16:16 | gmcharlt | tsbere++ |
| # | 12:16:55 | Dyrcona | all them backwards nations use metric.... ;) |
| # | 12:21:47 | bshum | gmcharlt++ I might play with that when I get the chance. |
| # | 12:22:03 | bshum | Apparently two towns have the same zip code, which I'm not sure how that's possible, but those two towns are fighting about who autopopulates |
| # | 12:22:39 | Dyrcona | bshum; not unusual, happens here in Mass, too. |
| # | 12:22:43 | senator | towns can have many zip codes, and zip codes can have many towns |
| # | 12:22:49 | bshum | Evil. |
| # | 12:22:50 | senator | people don't expect that, and get upset |
| # | 12:22:56 | Dyrcona | yep. |
| # | 12:23:49 | Dyrcona | bshum: generate a pseudo-random value between 1 and 100, if its even town A populates, if its odd town B. |
| # | 12:24:08 | bshum | Dyrcona: Heh |
| # | 12:25:10 | gmcharlt | not nearly ambitious enough |
| # | 12:25:23 | gmcharlt | what you should do is start agitating for one of them to annex the other |
| # | 12:25:23 | bshum | So it's a matter of that regex for zip code matching |
| # | 12:25:36 | senator | zip codes do each have one, definitive "default" place name according to the usps, if you want to settle the question heavy handedly |
| # | 12:25:55 | jeff | bshum: quick solution -- remove that zip code from autocomplete. neither town gets autocompleted. |
| # | 12:26:17 | gmcharlt | jeff++ # simple virtuousity |
| # | 12:26:33 | bshum | jeff: I proposed that too, nobody liked that. |
| # | 12:26:40 | jeff | long term: integrate pluggable address lookup/quality services for address normalization, zip + address to zip+4, etc. |
| # | 12:27:06 | gmcharlt | medium term - move zips.txt to the database |
| # | 12:27:10 | tsbere | bshum: If they can't decide on who autocompletes, disable autocomplete. For everyone. Then have the entire group vote on who gets autocompleted for that zip before you turn it back on ;) |
| # | 12:27:29 | jeff | bshum: ah, in that case, have it autocomplete to WHOVILLE or THISVILLE and they can delete the string that does not apply to them. :P |
| # | 12:27:47 | bshum | Heh |
| # | 12:28:09 | tsbere doesn't recall ever setting up autocomplete for MVLC..........in part due to being lazy about doing a basic check of a zips file |
| # | 12:28:36 | bshum | Uh oh |
| # | 12:28:40 | bshum | Power just hiccuped |
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| # | 12:28:56 | bshum | Am i still alive? |
| # | 12:29:05 | Dyrcona | yes. you're here. |
| # | 12:29:35 | tsbere | bshum: If you want to auto-check if you are still alive, /ns help or similar. :) |
| # | 12:30:36 | bshum | Ah, for next time. |
| # | 12:33:02 | gmcharlt | bshum: I don't know, you may actually be a bot |
| # | 12:33:07 | gmcharlt | a very helpful bot |
| # | 12:33:15 | gmcharlt | and one that blows the Turing test out of the water ;) |
| # | 12:33:55 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt: Why do you say 'one that blows the Turing test out of the water?' |
| # | 12:35:34 | gmcharlt | Dyrcona: in the sense that if bshum were actually a bot, he's already proven himself an example of strong AI |
| # | 12:35:49 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt: How does that make you feel? |
| # | 12:36:11 | gmcharlt catches on |
| # | 12:36:23 | Dyrcona | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA |
| # | 12:36:38 | gmcharlt | yep |
| # | 12:36:39 | gmcharlt | Dyrcona++ |
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| # | 12:44:14 | csharp got a 1600 on the turing test |
| # | 12:45:21 | Dyrcona | if you ask some of our members' staff, i flunked the turing test. :) |
| # | 12:45:26 | csharp | heh |
| # | 12:46:11 | dbs | csharp: any chance you can poke the eg testing build slaves? (at least the ubuntu 10.04 one; the 8.04 doesn't seem heavily relevant these days) |
| # | 12:47:21 | csharp | dbs: yeah - sure |
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| # | 12:48:43 | tsbere | Dyrcona: I dunno. Did you fail it, or did they? :P |
| # | 12:52:52 | csharp | dbs: are we building on all the distros we want/need to? |
| # | 12:53:15 | csharp could replace 8.04 with something more pertinent |
| # | 12:53:26 | dbs | csharp: at the moment, probably. once 12.04 comes out and debian next comes out, those will be high-priority |
| # | 12:53:34 | csharp | k |
| # | 12:53:36 | dbs | csharp: if you're mad, F16 :) |
| # | 12:53:40 | csharp | heh |
| # | 12:53:52 | csharp | why the hell not? |
| # | 12:58:08 | csharp | dbs: okay - both 'buntus are back up and slaving |
| # | 12:58:35 | dbs | csharp++ |
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| # | 14:04:43 | dbs notes "Crap. Google is pulling the plug on the Books API in a month" |
| # | 14:07:02 | tsbere | So, what are we waiting on for 2.1.1? |
| # | 14:08:34 | Dyrcona | google-- |
| # | 14:08:58 | Dyrcona | introduce cool stuff for a year or two, then yank it for no good reason. |
| # | 14:09:01 | bshum | Hmm |
| # | 14:09:13 | bshum | Where does that get used? Previews and search? |
| # | 14:10:52 | bshum | Also, IE-- |
| # | 14:11:06 | tsbere | We have most of that turned off anyway. <_< |
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| # | 14:11:28 | berick | @karma IE |
| # | 14:11:28 | pinesol_green` | berick: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -9. |
| # | 14:11:45 | berick | IE-- |
| # | 14:11:52 | berick | -9 is way too high |
| # | 14:12:03 | senator | berick++ |
| # | 14:12:07 | Dyrcona | IE-- |
| # | 14:13:06 | dbs | bshum: yep, search results and details pages |
| # | 14:13:26 | berick | general question, the jspac currently dissalows hold freezing when the hold is in transit. shall I add the same restriction to the tpac (hard-coded) or does anyone see a need for a setting to allow/disallow this behavior? |
| # | 14:13:34 | dbs | we turn it off on search results, but the preview function is popular on the details pages |
| # | 14:13:38 | berick | note, I've never heard anyone say they want the ability to freeze while in transti.. |
| # | 14:14:07 | bshum | dbs: Yeah I've been trying to kill it in search results but with little success. |
| # | 14:14:19 | bshum | By that I mean convincing everybody that we don't need it. |
| # | 14:14:56 | tsbere | berick: I think that "freezing once captured" should be disallowed in general. |
| # | 14:15:21 | tsbere | Whether that means it is in transit or on the hold shelf |
| # | 14:15:52 | berick | tsbere: that's actaully what the jspac enforces.. no post-capture freezing (should have been more specific) |
| # | 14:15:55 | berick | .. and I agree |
| # | 14:16:36 | tsbere | berick: I would be happy with you jamming the code in the backend, not just in the tpac, so that future interfaces have the same protection |
| # | 14:16:55 | berick | indeed, i was going to suggest the same |
| # | 14:17:32 | tsbere | Heh. My dev machine's "Shelf Browser" shows "UNCATALOGED" :D |
| # | 14:17:50 | berick | cool, i'll add a block to the hold edit API code and a bit to the tpac that prevents it from being an option. |
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| # | 14:30:14 | jenny1 | Ok - it's time to start the November Reports TaskForce Meeting! |
| # | 14:30:23 | chtrotter | hi, jenny! |
| # | 14:30:32 | jenny1 | Hi Cristina! |
| # | 14:30:43 | jenny1 | The agenda for today's meeting is posted...http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:meetings:2011-11-09-agenda |
| # | 14:30:53 | afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:31:06 | jenny1 is Jenny Turner, PALS |
| # | 14:31:39 | chtrotter | chtrotter is Cristina Hernandez Trotter, Oconee Regional Library System (PINES) |
| # | 14:32:03 | phasefx is Jason Etheridge, Equinox |
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| # | 14:32:27 | jenny1 | Also, as we are running through introductions, if anyone would like to compile minutes from today's chat, please speak up! |
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| # | 14:34:10 | jenny1 | Anyone else here for the reports meeting? |
| # | 14:34:34 | bshum is Ben Shum, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:34:36 | bshum | (sorta) |
| # | 14:35:45 | jenny1 | Let's move on to reviewing the minutes from the last meeting. I was unable to attend, but I did take a stab at compiling notes. http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:meetings:2011-10-12 |
| # | 14:35:53 | jenny1 | Did I miss anything? |
| # | 14:36:34 | chtrotter | Looks good to me. |
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| # | 14:37:29 | StephenGWills is Steve Wills, checking in |
| # | 14:38:20 | jenny1 | Good deal. Cristina, do you have any updates on the PINES RFP? (moving on to 3.I.) |
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| # | 14:39:23 | chtrotter | Yes, but not good news. |
| # | 14:39:48 | jenny1 | Oh oh... |
| # | 14:39:50 | chtrotter | I received this news last week: "I am so sorry to report that our reports interface development project will have to be cancelled or postponed due to a budget shortfall for this fiscal year." |
| # | 14:39:58 | chtrotter | Alas! |
| # | 14:40:25 | afterl | So sorry to learn this. :-( |
| # | 14:40:28 | jenny1 | That is bad news. Sorry to hear it. |
| # | 14:41:16 | chtrotter | PINES is hoping to sign an agreement with Emerald to simply postpone development, but not sure if the state guidelines will allow that. Might have to go through the whole bidding process again, etc. |
| # | 14:41:44 | chtrotter | Yeah, I am bummed. I was looking forward to the whole process. |
| # | 14:42:14 | chtrotter | Not to mention that I was real hopeful that the end result would be actually useful and user-friendly. |
| # | 14:42:31 | jenny1 | Well, if you hear anything one way or another, let us know. Let's hope you won't have to get bids all over again. |
| # | 14:42:47 | chtrotter | Definitely will keep y'all in the loop. |
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| # | 14:43:13 | jenny1 | Thanks, Cristina. Moving on to the standard plea for documentation... |
| # | 14:43:28 | jenny1 | if you've got it, share it! : ) |
| # | 14:44:24 | afterl | How should we share it? |
| # | 14:44:25 | jenny1 | And, related to this, I'm wondering if anyone has any documentation on creating Acq reports. Anyone? |
| # | 14:45:09 | chtrotter | PINES is not using Acq module at this time. |
| # | 14:45:27 | jenny1 | You can email it to me directly, to the reports list, or link to it on the DocuWiki page (http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php), if it is something that can't be easily integrated into the DIG documentation |
| # | 14:46:28 | chtrotter | I finally linked my training materials to the "Community-contributed Documentation and Tutorials" page. You can find it at the very bottom of the page: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community_tutorials |
| # | 14:47:00 | jenny1 | chtrotter: Thanks! |
| # | 14:47:41 | jenny1 | afterl: does that answer your question? |
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| # | 14:47:49 | afterl | yes, it does, thanks! |
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| # | 14:48:48 | jenny1 | Ok, if there's nothing else on documentation, is Jeff here with news/updates on jasperreports? |
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| # | 14:49:43 | jeff | hi! |
| # | 14:50:01 | afterl | hi, jeff! |
| # | 14:50:21 | jeff | TADL went live with JasperReports last week, and we are continuing to add reports. I hope to have a public demo up before the end of the year. We want to share! :-) |
| # | 14:50:55 | jenny1 | Great news! I take it things are going well? |
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| # | 14:52:26 | jenny1 | and/or does anyone have any questions for jeff? |
| # | 14:53:09 | chtrotter | No questions here. Just looking forward to the demos! |
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| # | 14:53:43 | jenny1 | jeff: have you considered presenting something at the Evergreen Conference on this? |
| # | 14:54:53 | jenny1 | (and the same question/hint goes out to anyone doing anything cool with Reports...) |
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| # | 14:56:23 | jenny1 | Ok, and with that we'll move on to item IV. on the agenda: the 2012 Evergreen Conference |
| # | 14:56:52 | chtrotter | Wish I could be there! *sigh* |
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| # | 14:57:36 | jenny1 | alas! Well, for those who will be there, session proposals are due Nov. 30. Full info is here: http://evergreen2012.org/?p=85 |
| # | 14:59:20 | jenny1 | and I am still hoping we can get a pre- or post-conference SQL reports training scheduled. But I don't have an update (been busy and haven't followed up with the Indiana folks). |
| # | 14:59:29 | jenny1 | bshum: have you heard anything? |
| # | 14:59:44 | afterl | hold on, jenny |
| # | 14:59:50 | jenny1 | k |
| # | 14:59:53 | afterl | he's coming |
| # | 14:59:55 | bshum | I haven't heard anything yet. |
| # | 15:00:15 | bshum | We should poke them again on it. |
| # | 15:01:15 | jenny1 | I can poke after the meeting. : ) |
| # | 15:01:32 | bshum | jenny++ |
| # | 15:02:09 | jenny1 | Does anyone have anything else I should poke about? Since I am poking... |
| # | 15:02:55 | jenny1 | Or awesome ideas for a Reports Interest Group meeting? Start brainstorming now! |
| # | 15:05:13 | jenny1 | Is there anything else I may have forgotten to move over to our agenda from past meetings? Or is there anything new to discuss? |
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| # | 15:06:53 | enhancin | On electronic resources I've inserted into each MARC entry the $9 into the datafield 856 in order to give it a location. I've run autogen.sh and restart apache and even reset osrf but the changes aren't showing up still |
| # | 15:07:11 | chtrotter | I wanted to share that the PINES community just started a reports list-serv, which seems like a promising way for library staff to help each troubleshoot reports. |
| # | 15:07:32 | jenny1 | nice! |
| # | 15:08:20 | chtrotter | We have had it up only a couple weeks now. And at first, there was a lot of talk about how about the current reports interface is really lacking... |
| # | 15:08:48 | enhancin | an example would be "Hackers" as seen here: http://209.236.66.49/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/rdetail.xml?r=20029 |
| # | 15:09:16 | chtrotter | I think some folks felt better having others to commiserate with...but since then, there has been some good info sharing. |
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| # | 15:10:19 | jenny1 | And for the greater community, don't forget that our reports list (evergreen-reports@list.evergreen-ils.org) could be used for sharing/problem solving, too. |
| # | 15:11:09 | dbs | enhancin: there's a meeting scheduled through the next 20 minutes, probably best to hold off on questions until then |
| # | 15:11:22 | enhancin | dbs: ah okay. |
| # | 15:12:25 | jenny1 | If there's nothing else from the Reports TF, we can probably wrap things up. Our Dec. meeting is scheduled for Dec. 14 (same time/place). Does that work for the majority? |
| # | 15:12:45 | afterl | It should |
| # | 15:12:50 | chtrotter | yep |
| # | 15:14:03 | jenny1 | Sounds great; thanks everyone! |
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| # | 15:14:52 | chtrotter | Thanks, Jenny, for leading the meeting. |
| # | 15:15:18 | jenny1 | enhancin: I think you are free to ask questions...thanks for your patience |
| # | 15:15:30 | enhancin | You're welcome, didn't mean to interrupt! |
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| # | 15:16:42 | enhancin | anyways, I had electronic resources and they weren't showing up. Somebody had advised me to put an $9 subfield into the 856 datafield in order for it to show up. It worked on one of them so I ran a regular expression on the database in order to add it to all of them but they're still not showing up. http://209.236.66.49/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/rdetail.xml?r=20029 is the example |
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| # | 15:18:45 | dbs | enhancin: shows up if you scope it to "Edens Library" right? |
| # | 15:20:00 | enhancin | Hm, if i select the library it shows up...but if I search without selecting the library then it doesn't show up... |
| # | 15:20:24 | enhancin | The main one should search through both right? |
| # | 15:20:29 | dbs | enhancin: what version of Evergreen is this? |
| # | 15:20:39 | enhancin | 2.1 should be latest |
| # | 15:21:00 | dbs | The scope / depth got flipped around from how it used to operate, can't remember if that was in 2.1 or master |
| # | 15:22:04 | dbs | Try setting one record's $9 to CONS (or whatever the shortname of the top-level actor.org_unit entry is) and see if it shows up in any search scope |
| # | 15:24:38 | enhancin | ah...yeah I guess it needs to be CCSC not LIB...dang |
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| # | 15:32:52 | sal_ | SIP issue: I check in a book based in one branch that's on hold for another branch. Send in a 9 packet, never get the 10 packet back... |
| # | 15:33:08 | sal_ | Status of book is now "checked out" but location is "stacks". |
| # | 15:33:39 | enhancin | I wish postgresql had multithreaded single queries....47,000 entries takes a long time to run a regex on marc records |
| # | 15:34:38 | jeff | enhancin: several queries, broken up by range of record ids? :-) |
| # | 15:34:59 | enhancin | almost sounds like too much work. at least I have an excuse to screw around for 20 minutes |
| # | 15:35:49 | sal_ | And holding patron now shows "no copy" for "current copy". |
| # | 15:36:51 | sal_ | (come to think of it, that last bit might be okay) |
| # | 15:38:46 | sal_ | can check in inside staff client (and transit slip is generated), but can't do it from SIP. |
| # | 15:52:30 | tsbere | sal_: "Stacks" won't change. That is the copy/shelving location. |
| # | 15:52:52 | tsbere | Beyond that, we haven't had issues with SIP2 based checkins. Do you get error messages in logs? |
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| # | 15:53:02 | collum | A question from our PC technician. If you install EG client on Windows 7 - 64 bit, does it take advantage of the 64 bit architecture? |
| # | 15:53:19 | tsbere | collum: Only in that it gets unrestricted access to up to 4 GB of memory ;) |
| # | 15:53:28 | sal_ | Need to go look beyond the SIP log ;-) |
| # | 15:53:43 | collum | Thanks tsbere |
| # | 15:53:52 | tsbere | collum: xulrunner is basically 32 bit only |
| # | 15:54:12 | sal_ | Checkins for holds that don't require transit to another branch seem to work fine. |
| # | 15:54:31 | sal_ | * goes to check other logs |
| # | 15:55:11 | tsbere | We actually have all SIP2 checkins come through as transits when there are holds, even local ones |
| # | 15:55:24 | sal_ | * scratches head |
| # | 15:55:46 | sal_ | might have set up check in packet wrong... |
| # | 15:56:09 | sal_ | but all I changed was the item #. |
| # | 15:56:17 | collum | Ah! gotcha. |
| # | 15:57:10 | sal_ | * shuts down EG, moves logs, restarts... |
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| # | 16:06:23 | sal_ | Okay, I have item from BR1 checked out, with hold for pickup in BR2 |
| # | 16:07:10 | sal_ | Hmm. That seems to have worked. *Really confused* |
| # | 16:09:53 | tsbere | sal_: Welcome to the world of evergreen debugging ;) |
| # | 16:10:50 | sal_ | Heh. |
| # | 16:10:56 | sal_ | Okay, will try, try again. |
| # | 16:12:02 | sal_ | What's the timeout on "in transit'? |
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| # | 16:12:14 | sal_ | 39313002140053 |
| # | 16:12:32 | sal_ | Oops, cursor in wrong window ;-) |
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| # | 16:17:58 | sal_ | Okay, now I can't recreate it. Sporadic bugs--my favorite! |
| # | 16:18:39 | sal_ | Will keep poking. Thanks anyway. |
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| # | 17:15:52 | sal_ | okay, SIP/holds question... If I have an item that's checked out at branch A and on hold for a patron at branch B, how does EG know into which branch the item is checked in? Does it just assume that on the 2nd checkin, it's at branch B? |
| # | 17:16:05 | sal_ | (It seems to be ignoring the AP field, hence the question) |
| # | 17:16:06 | tsbere | home ou of the user SIP is using |
| # | 17:17:58 | sal_ | Hmm. If all the branches in my system have the same OU... |
| # | 17:18:14 | tsbere | branches are OUs |
| # | 17:18:15 | tsbere | <_< |
| # | 17:18:31 | sal_ | Hmm. |
| # | 17:18:39 | tsbere | OU = Org Unit. |
| # | 17:19:14 | sal_ | So each branch should have its own SIP user. That makes sense. (I'm playing with a 2nd branch for the first time.) |
| # | 17:19:42 | tsbere | Yea |
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| # | 17:20:52 | sal_ | *headdesk* configure SIP user for branch 2 with home library of branch 2. |
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| # | 18:08:53 | edoceo | I'm running: make STAFF_CLIENT_STAMP_ID=rel_2_1_0 install (from 2.1.0a source) and getting errors that I cannot write to /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.12.3 |
| # | 18:09:15 | edoceo | But, aren't I supposed to run that make command as a regular user who doesn't have write permissions there? |
| # | 18:10:51 | gmcharlt | edoceo: no, you need to run it as root (or sudo root) to install the Perl modules |
| # | 18:11:13 | gmcharlt | after that, the next step in the instructions is to fix up the ownership of files in /openils |
| # | 18:12:22 | edoceo | thx! |
| # | 18:13:10 | gmcharlt | you're welcome |
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