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| # | 11:21:40 | bshum | Dmagick: Heh, nice circ policy bug ticket :) |
| # | 11:21:57 | bshum | +1 to most of your sentiments |
| # | 11:22:27 | Dmagick | Weren't mine, I was just passing them along. I use the DB and PSQL for all that stuff. ;) |
| # | 11:22:47 | tsbere | I responded. First part? What version of evergreen? |
| # | 11:22:50 | bshum | So do we, paging 15 rules when we have over 400 is just brutal. |
| # | 11:23:51 | dbs | tsbere: I sent that response too :) |
| # | 11:23:56 | Dmagick | If you sort by org unit in the db, you have what you need in a few secs. |
| # | 11:24:03 | dbs | albeit via email, so it will probably get appended in a few minutes. |
| # | 11:30:34 | moodaepo | dbs++ tsbere++ |
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| # | 11:31:28 | tsbere | Dmagick: I think most of my response holds in 1.6.0.x. The constraint to keep dupe rules out doesn't work due to nulls never matching nulls even in a constraint. |
| # | 11:37:46 | sylvar | Can you test COALESCE(value1, 'f0r38jf2n;') = COALESCE(value2, 'f0r38jf2n;')? |
| # | 11:39:40 | tsbere | sylvar: I fixed the issue in trunk/2.1 already. |
| # | 11:46:33 | sylvar | Cool. |
| # | 11:50:46 | phasefx | silly question, but in hold_matrix_matchpoint, is the holdable column a matchpoint, or a directive of the rule (hold allowed, hold denied)? |
| # | 11:51:14 | bshum | phasefx: I think that's a directive of the rule. |
| # | 11:51:22 | bshum | If I understood your question right. |
| # | 11:51:29 | bshum | But don't consider me authoritative on that... |
| # | 11:51:36 | phasefx | that seems to make sense to me |
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| # | 11:53:55 | phasefx | bshum: thanks |
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| # | 11:55:21 | levacjeep | when creating a skin, would anyone know how to exclude certain "Copy Summary" fields on the single item page? |
| # | 11:56:03 | levacjeep | example: http://i.imgur.com/IQMrb.png |
| # | 12:08:06 | sylvar | levacjeep: rdetail.js lists all OPAC-visible statuses. If you want to keep those statuses OPAC-visible, you'd probably need to add some logic to function rdetailBuildStatusColumns() to check that the status code matches your preselected list. |
| # | 12:08:39 | sylvar | But you'd also have the possibility of users saying "It says there's 1 copy, but it's not showing up on the list of statuses" |
| # | 12:09:41 | sylvar | You might want to combine "Building use" and "At reference desk" and "Library use only" into one status. |
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| # | 12:10:24 | sylvar | In general, use as few statuses as you can, and use copy locations to offer information like "At reference desk". The *status* of those items is that they're checked in. |
| # | 12:11:17 | sylvar | So, to sum up, levacjeep, you might be able to modify an important piece of JavaScript, but you should probably refactor your statuses. |
| # | 12:11:35 | sylvar | That way, the list wouldn't be so long. |
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| # | 13:24:06 | eeevil | phasefx: re "holdable" on the matrix, it's a directive. a hard "if using this mathpoint, DENIED!" setting. like circulate on the circ matrix |
| # | 13:24:25 | eeevil | (btw, I'm not here) |
| # | 13:25:10 | eeevil | (however, based on the volume of recent important updates in rel_2_0, I'd like to poll on cut-or-not) |
| # | 13:28:07 | phasefx | eeevil: roger that |
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| # | 13:28:25 | tsbere | eeevil: My recent fine generator patch on launchpad may apply to 2.0 as well as trunk/2.1 |
| # | 13:28:32 | tsbere hasn't tried it against 2.0 |
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| # | 13:29:36 | eeevil | tsbere: bug #? |
| # | 13:29:54 | tsbere | eeevil: 747533 |
| # | 13:30:12 | tsbere | It helps stop a potential division by 0 error |
| # | 13:30:14 | atheos | anyone know what the functional reasoning is for last_xact_id in the gateway API for circ.money.payment ? |
| # | 13:31:31 | eeevil | atheos: all fields of that name are used for optimistic locking ... collision detection |
| # | 13:32:50 | atheos | eeevil thanks, I figured out the purpose of where_process pretty quickly, but last_xact_id had me stumped for a few hours. |
| # | 13:33:11 | berick | atheos: for that method, the purpose is to prevent payments against xacts on stale data |
| # | 13:33:35 | berick | e.g. multiple parallel payments to the same xact, one via credit card in the opac, one via staff client |
| # | 13:34:39 | atheos | makes good sense. I had a quick routine that verified the bill still matched before processing circ.money.payment for similar purpose |
| # | 13:34:54 | atheos can't wait until I can scrap this, and use the built in CC processing |
| # | 13:36:11 | eeevil | tsbere: yes, that looks like it would be good in 1.6 as well, modified if necessary |
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| # | 13:42:19 | eeevil | dbwells: thanks for taking on change to uniquification of index normalizers! |
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| # | 14:00:03 | bshum | Okay, community meeting time! |
| # | 14:00:39 | bshum | First, introductions; while we do that, any volunteers for leading/minutes? |
| # | 14:00:48 | bshum is Ben Shum, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:01:10 | rsoulliere is Robert Soulliere Mohawk College |
| # | 14:01:14 | afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:01:48 | sgirard | is Sean Girard, lurking on behalf of Spokane Public Library |
| # | 14:01:52 | LBA | Lori Ayre,Galecia Group |
| # | 14:02:30 | jenny is Jenny Turner, PALS |
| # | 14:02:39 | dbs is Dan Scott of Laurentian University / Conifer |
| # | 14:02:56 | phasefx is Jason Etheridge, Equinox |
| # | 14:03:24 | atheos is Niles Ingalls, Hussey-Mayfield Memorial Public Library / Indiana |
| # | 14:05:02 | afterl | Small group today |
| # | 14:05:24 | bshum | Yeah, I think kmlussier said she had a conflict and wouldn't be available. |
| # | 14:05:33 | dbs | Sounds like a good day to volunteer for leading/minute taking! |
| # | 14:05:35 | eeevil (Mike Rylander, ESI) lurks as well |
| # | 14:05:53 | jcpl-jasonb | and some of us just lurk, though I've just blown that... |
| # | 14:06:12 | afterl | Anyone else want to out themselves? |
| # | 14:06:27 | tsbere lurks and ignores during most of the community meetings ;) |
| # | 14:06:29 | bshum | Heh, well if someone would be willing to do notes, I can run through the agenda. |
| # | 14:06:47 | bshum | Should be pretty quick, right? ;) |
| # | 14:07:00 | afterl | I can take notes though technically this is a vacation day for me |
| # | 14:07:07 | afterl | have to do taxes today |
| # | 14:07:10 | afterl | might as well |
| # | 14:07:16 | dbs | afterl++ |
| # | 14:07:17 | LBA | here we go again with the vacation |
| # | 14:07:17 | dbs | bshum++ |
| # | 14:07:23 | dbs | bibliomates++ |
| # | 14:07:23 | bshum | Heh okay |
| # | 14:07:31 | bshum | gmcharlt' style |
| # | 14:07:32 | bshum | Let's go |
| # | 14:07:37 | bshum | 3. Review action items |
| # | 14:07:49 | bshum | I. Amy Terlaga will follow-up with Brian Feifarek and Lori Ayre via email about community servers pgrade |
| # | 14:07:53 | bshum | *upgrade |
| # | 14:07:56 | afterl | I did |
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| # | 14:08:06 | LBA | and Brian did. |
| # | 14:08:07 | afterl | LBA followed up with Brian |
| # | 14:08:09 | bshum | Cool |
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| # | 14:08:15 | bshum | II. Lori is collecting success stories and will work with Web team to post once she has 5 or 6. |
| # | 14:08:26 | LBA | Amazon v-image and demo site are now current. |
| # | 14:08:49 | bshum | brian_f++ LBA++ |
| # | 14:08:50 | LBA | I have those with permission to post five of them. need to figure out where they go... |
| # | 14:09:21 | LBA | i will add that to our next communications/web team agenda...I've been negligent about that. |
| # | 14:09:59 | bshum | Okay, sounds good. |
| # | 14:10:05 | bshum | We'll keep our eyes open :) |
| # | 14:10:12 | bshum | III. Amy Terlaga will put an e-mail to the list for volunteers with the DIY interest group. |
| # | 14:10:16 | afterl | I did |
| # | 14:10:23 | afterl | bshum volunteered |
| # | 14:10:42 | afterl | that's you |
| # | 14:10:53 | bshum | And moodaepo too, rsoulliere, csharp, and many others have begun brainstorming for it. |
| # | 14:11:02 | afterl | excellent |
| # | 14:11:24 | bshum | So all sys admins out there should come hang out with us during the Evergreen conference |
| # | 14:11:35 | bshum | Next item: IV. Track down DIG volunteer names for interest group. |
| # | 14:11:39 | afterl | and sysadmin groupies |
| # | 14:11:41 | bshum | I think that's for afterl? |
| # | 14:11:46 | afterl | I did |
| # | 14:11:50 | moodaepo runs in late |
| # | 14:11:52 | afterl | Karen Collier is coming |
| # | 14:12:05 | afterl | She'll be leading it |
| # | 14:12:40 | bshum | Cool. |
| # | 14:12:42 | bshum | V. Need to send out a call for volunteers to help beef up documentation on reports |
| # | 14:13:14 | bshum | Hmm, guess that's from reports |
| # | 14:13:20 | bshum | *reports taskforce |
| # | 14:13:24 | jenny | I mentioned it at the Reports TF meeting on Wednesday - didn't have anyone clamoring to write anything |
| # | 14:13:45 | jenny | I can beg on the DIG list perhaps |
| # | 14:14:09 | afterl | Make that a follow up agenda item for next time? |
| # | 14:14:13 | jenny | yup |
| # | 14:14:33 | bshum | Okay, deferred for now, with an offer for a kind soul to help. |
| # | 14:14:43 | bshum | On to committee group reports |
| # | 14:14:48 | bshum | 4. Communications committee & Website Team report and discussion. |
| # | 14:15:13 | LBA | We've completed two surveys. One of the needs of the Evergreen community. |
| # | 14:15:24 | LBA | as represented by the General Mailling List. |
| # | 14:15:31 | LBA | We've analyzed those responses. |
| # | 14:15:38 | LBA | We've surveyed the current site. |
| # | 14:15:53 | LBA | And are looking for ways to make some changes that are responsive to what we've learned. |
| # | 14:16:21 | LBA | We are also close to having a first draft of a longer term plan for the Evergreen online ecosystem.... |
| # | 14:16:34 | LBA | Amy, anything to add? |
| # | 14:16:41 | afterl | No, that's good. |
| # | 14:17:21 | LBA | FYI, all things WebTeam/Communications committee live here: http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=webteam |
| # | 14:17:28 | bshum | Online ecosystem, huh? Fancy :) |
| # | 14:17:47 | LBA | ;-) |
| # | 14:17:47 | afterl | That's LBA-speak |
| # | 14:18:01 | LBA | vacationer |
| # | 14:18:07 | bshum | LBA++ :) |
| # | 14:18:16 | bshum | Next, 5. Conference committee |
| # | 14:18:28 | bshum | Oh, unless there are questions for the web team? |
| # | 14:18:46 | bshum got derailed by fun vocabulary |
| # | 14:18:57 | LBA | Anoop is here too from our team... |
| # | 14:19:14 | afterl | Conference committee update: We're up to 153 attendees as of last Monday |
| # | 14:19:26 | LBA | wahoo! |
| # | 14:19:50 | moodaepo << Anoop |
| # | 14:20:02 | afterl | Yesterday was the deadline for presenters to get their presentations in for the flashdrive give-aways |
| # | 14:20:17 | afterl | The program will be off to the printer VERY SOON |
| # | 14:20:40 | afterl | ESI and PINES are planning a REALLY fun after hours event the first night of the conference |
| # | 14:20:54 | afterl | I can't tell you because that would ruin the surprise |
| # | 14:20:58 | dbs hangs head in shame for missing deadline |
| # | 14:21:08 | afterl does too |
| # | 14:21:10 | LBA also hanging head |
| # | 14:21:16 | afterl | uh-oh |
| # | 14:21:26 | atheos | did Indiana get ours in? not sure if I should be hanging my head either |
| # | 14:21:32 | afterl | so those two presentations on the flashdrive better be good ones |
| # | 14:21:35 | bshum | So will this flash drive be a very fancy toy to bring home? |
| # | 14:21:42 | afterl | sure, sure |
| # | 14:21:48 | dbs | hah, 32 MB flash drive should be more than enough |
| # | 14:21:52 | afterl | we'll also have dine arounds and pub crawls |
| # | 14:22:07 | afterl | and a vendor reception the second night of the conference |
| # | 14:22:13 | sylvar | brick store and.... brick store |
| # | 14:22:26 | sylvar | won't have to crawl far :) |
| # | 14:22:36 | afterl | and the whole thing is going to be a grand old time and everyone should come |
| # | 14:23:02 | bshum | Cool |
| # | 14:23:04 | dbs might try to organize an antisocial evening hackathon, like "Genericize the TT OPAC" |
| # | 14:23:13 | moodaepo | dbs++ |
| # | 14:23:21 | bshum | dbs++ |
| # | 14:23:24 | phasefx | with beer |
| # | 14:23:29 | dbs | beer++ |
| # | 14:23:29 | moodaepo | Where do I sign up? |
| # | 14:23:35 | afterl | oh and we have people coming from |
| # | 14:23:44 | afterl | Amsterdam and Ethiopia! |
| # | 14:24:06 | dbs | They put the "I" in International. Awesome |
| # | 14:24:18 | afterl | Yup, that's what I've been saying |
| # | 14:24:29 | LBA | last year the dutch flaked |
| # | 14:24:44 | LBA | some issue with volcano ash or something unlikely |
| # | 14:24:52 | afterl | yes, not their fault |
| # | 14:25:20 | LBA | ;-) |
| # | 14:25:21 | bshum | Heh anything else for the conference before we move on? |
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| # | 14:26:23 | afterl | Nope |
| # | 14:26:34 | bshum | 6. Documentation Interest Group |
| # | 14:26:43 | rsoulliere | Updated DIG info page: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig |
| # | 14:26:50 | rsoulliere | Moved resources to this page instead of having an extra generic link to "resources" |
| # | 14:27:07 | rsoulliere | We added link + info to Brian Feifarek's test server. |
| # | 14:27:14 | rsoulliere | brian_f++ |
| # | 14:27:42 | rsoulliere | Added additional DIG roles: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants |
| # | 14:27:54 | rsoulliere | Kathy Lussier volunteered for Public OPAC/staff tasks Content Coordinator |
| # | 14:28:00 | rsoulliere | kmlussier++ |
| # | 14:28:13 | rsoulliere | Jenny Turner volunteered for Reports Coordinator |
| # | 14:28:25 | rsoulliere | Jenny++ |
| # | 14:28:37 | rsoulliere | Just to emphasize that these roles are for coordinating efforts (communicating) and not writing the entire parts. |
| # | 14:28:50 | rsoulliere | We still need section authors volunteers who can volunteer for writing and editing sections |
| # | 14:29:12 | rsoulliere | see outlines:... |
| # | 14:29:18 | rsoulliere | 1.6 outline: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:outline |
| # | 14:29:28 | rsoulliere | 2.0 outline: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs_2.0:outline |
| # | 14:30:05 | rsoulliere volunteered for DocBook Conversion Coordinator |
| # | 14:30:18 | rsoulliere | Still need the following roles filled...: |
| # | 14:30:22 | dbs | rsoulliere++ |
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| # | 14:30:27 | rsoulliere | Administration/Development Content Coordinator |
| # | 14:30:34 | moodaepo | rsoulliere++ |
| # | 14:30:35 | rsoulliere | Would be great to have someone who works with a lot of developers (e.g. participates at each dev meeting), has good understanding of sound technical documentation practices and understand documentation needs in these areas. |
| # | 14:31:01 | rsoulliere | ...fill the Administration/Development Content Coordinator role |
| # | 14:31:09 | rsoulliere | A certain Evergreen developer with a strong documentation background (who is probably already too busy) comes to mind...;-) |
| # | 14:31:43 | moodaepo | rsoulliere: Maybe you could contact people who come to mind directly and see? |
| # | 14:31:59 | rsoulliere | Other role... |
| # | 14:32:07 | rsoulliere | Style Coordinator |
| # | 14:32:19 | rsoulliere | Would be good to have someone with web/documentation style experience or ideas and has experience with DocBook style sheets. Certain people from SITKA come to mind...;-) |
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| # | 14:33:28 | rsoulliere | moodaepo: yes, we might contact folks directly... |
| # | 14:33:35 | dbs whistles |
| # | 14:33:39 | rsoulliere | A few chapters have been added to 2.0 version of documentation but a lot of work is still needed. |
| # | 14:33:49 | rsoulliere | Is anyone working on "Public Access Catalog" documentation for version 2.0 or can add URL pointers to the outline to existing documentation? |
| # | 14:34:37 | rsoulliere | There are many differences between 1.6 and 2.0 so it would be nice to illustrate these differences in the official documentation for 2.0. |
| # | 14:35:03 | LBA | I can't point you to documentation but we are trying to get the 2.0 patron interface up on Brian's demo server. |
| # | 14:35:49 | rsoulliere | LBA: thanks, keep us posted on progress. |
| # | 14:35:55 | rsoulliere | Lastly, Reminder that The DIG Interest Group meeting/hackfest at the Evergreen Conference will take place at 10:00-12:00 on Wednesday, April 27. |
| # | 14:36:14 | afterl | Oh, that's good. Nice plug. |
| # | 14:36:20 | LBA raises hand |
| # | 14:37:00 | LBA | Any reason the Documentation section at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php should live there instead of on DIG pages where all other documentation is? |
| # | 14:38:15 | dbs | For the files, probably because that's where the files were uploaded in a hurry |
| # | 14:38:21 | rsoulliere | The wiki pages go back to a time before the official documentation pages. Many things have been migrated. |
| # | 14:38:22 | moodaepo | LBA: I'd consider that as part of current website re-org/cleanup |
| # | 14:38:32 | moodaepo | Also what dbs said |
| # | 14:38:44 | rsoulliere | Its quicker for most people to get docs in the wiki. |
| # | 14:38:57 | LBA | Great. Recent Acquisitions documentation (draft form) went there instead of DIG ...wondered why. |
| # | 14:39:11 | bshum | There's a DIG meeting on this upcoming Monday right? |
| # | 14:39:24 | rsoulliere | most of the Acq. docs have been added to the DIG official docs as well. |
| # | 14:39:43 | moodaepo | I'd like to put this on the next meeting agenda and maybe the dig/web folk can discuss how things should proceed from now on |
| # | 14:39:57 | LBA | thanks |
| # | 14:40:01 | moodaepo | next meeting == conference |
| # | 14:40:03 | rsoulliere | I mentioned at the DIG meeting and I thought I posted on the DIG list...? |
| # | 14:40:41 | bshum | moodaepo: Okay, followup regarding DIG/web discussion for next meeting. |
| # | 14:40:59 | moodaepo | bshum++ # wrangle on |
| # | 14:41:09 | bshum | Alright, next on |
| # | 14:41:23 | bshum | 7. Reports Taskforce report |
| # | 14:41:33 | jenny | We last met on Wed, March 30. Notes from past meetings are posted here: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:taskforce_meetings (Wednesday’s still to be posted, I think) |
| # | 14:42:01 | jenny | We’re hoping to recruit some additional volunteers at the conference and started generating some discussion topics for the Task Force Meeting. A current listing can be found in our Google Group discussion, “2011 International Evergreen Conference Reports Task Force Meeting Ideas:” http://groups.google.com/group/open-ils-reports. |
| # | 14:42:39 | jenny | The Task Force meets on Wed, April 27 from 10 am to noon - which is against the DIG meeting. |
| # | 14:43:18 | afterl | There will be treats! |
| # | 14:43:48 | rsoulliere | I plan to "roam" on hackfest day. |
| # | 14:44:04 | rsoulliere | I'll try to be where the treats are.;-) |
| # | 14:44:10 | afterl | heh heh |
| # | 14:44:10 | jenny | We need volunteers and will stoop to bribing with food : ) |
| # | 14:44:10 | bshum | Treats are nice. |
| # | 14:44:24 | bshum | jenny++ #for report on reports |
| # | 14:44:34 | bshum | Next up: 8. Developer report |
| # | 14:46:15 | dbs | I guess I can say some stuff |
| # | 14:46:22 | dbs | Google Summer of Code has attracted a fair bit of attention from potential students, a number of applications have been submitted; still one week to go before application period closes |
| # | 14:46:50 | dbs | Lots of focus on bug fixes for 2.0; 2.0.5 should be out soon with even more fixes. Many thanks to those sites who are helping find and report those problems. |
| # | 14:47:21 | dbs | Lots of progress on 2.1 release; a beta should be available soon. Some great enhancements in areas like circulation rules thanks to the likes of tsbere |
| # | 14:47:22 | phasefx | lots of goodness from MassLNC merged into rel_2_1 |
| # | 14:47:35 | dbs | Aye, many thanks MassLNC |
| # | 14:47:57 | dbs | multi-item sets and the like, looking forward to digging into that |
| # | 14:48:20 | eeevil | and soon, hopefully before the next tech preview, some nrcan lovin' |
| # | 14:48:36 | dbs | It's been heartening to see so many bug reports (and bug fixes!) coming in, along with patches for new features; our little dev/QA team is growing up (*sniff*) |
| # | 14:48:55 | rsoulliere | Developers++ |
| # | 14:48:57 | dbs | Continuous integration server (http://testing.evergreen-ils.org) is at stage 1 - runs basic tests with every commit to the OpenSRF and Evergreen repositories, but needs to be given more intelligent tests to run to be truly useful |
| # | 14:49:13 | dbs | Intelligent test-writers welcome :) |
| # | 14:49:24 | dbs | Anything else, dev peeps? |
| # | 14:49:32 | eeevil | which, btw, dbs has been adding (js testing ftw) |
| # | 14:50:21 | dbs | Any questions for the dev team? |
| # | 14:51:00 | afterl | What's the mention of the multi-item sets? |
| # | 14:51:28 | eeevil | afterl: monograph parts |
| # | 14:51:32 | eeevil | (aka) |
| # | 14:52:15 | dbs | description at the top of http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/changeset/19884 |
| # | 14:52:16 | eeevil | e-readers, dvd sets, encyclopedias, front-to-back multilanguage stuff |
| # | 14:52:31 | eeevil | wait, ignore me |
| # | 14:52:40 | eeevil | that's the nrcan lovin' |
| # | 14:52:43 | dbs | heh |
| # | 14:52:49 | eeevil | (I blame the pain killers) |
| # | 14:52:59 | dbs curiously needs some pain killers |
| # | 14:53:01 | eeevil | but, monograph parts was correct ;) |
| # | 14:53:12 | afterl | I'll take the description provided by dbs |
| # | 14:53:14 | afterl | for the notes |
| # | 14:53:22 | afterl | thanks |
| # | 14:53:27 | dbs | (which was provided by eeevil, so it's all good) |
| # | 14:53:34 | bshum | Okay, next to last agenda item then? 9. Governance Committee report |
| # | 14:53:42 | eeevil | (pre pain killers ;) ) |
| # | 14:54:29 | afterl | dbs? |
| # | 14:54:41 | dbs | afterl: oh, are we going to do this dance again? :) |
| # | 14:54:48 | afterl | yup! |
| # | 14:54:56 | afterl | you're so good at this |
| # | 14:55:02 | dbs | http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/evergreen-governance-l/2011-March/000412.html is probably a good thing to point people to in general |
| # | 14:55:04 | afterl | you should just own it by now |
| # | 14:56:16 | dbs | We still need to send our list of Governance Board people to the Software Freedom Conservancy and dot some i's / cross some t's to complete the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement with them |
| # | 14:56:36 | dbs | but in theory that shouldn't take much more effort |
| # | 14:57:19 | dbs | And the Governance Committee has agreed to adopt a basic Rules of Governance this year, and to work on refinining / extending those Rules to define an election process, etc, over the course of the coming year |
| # | 14:57:35 | eeevil | possible to have that in place by the conf? useful goal, even? |
| # | 14:57:50 | eeevil | (the i dotting and t crossing, I mean) |
| # | 14:58:04 | dbs | eeevil: I believe so |
| # | 14:58:16 | afterl | That's our goal! |
| # | 14:59:03 | dbs | Perhaps most important is the designated role of the Governance Committee: "The Board is the central administrative body of the Project. The Board |
| # | 14:59:03 | dbs | is responsible for the overall policy and direction of the Project. The |
| # | 14:59:03 | dbs | Board does not generally implement practices, but instead relies on the |
| # | 14:59:03 | dbs | recognized community leadership within the Project" |
| # | 14:59:42 | dbs | And the recognized community leadership in the Project is every group that's reporting at this meeting - the people actually making things happen. Huzzah! |
| # | 15:00:23 | dbs is feeling the lack of pain killers |
| # | 15:00:33 | afterl | And there's a Governance Committee update the last morning of the conference so that people can ask their questions |
| # | 15:00:59 | LBA | and celebrate! |
| # | 15:01:06 | bshum | Heh |
| # | 15:01:13 | LBA | our membership in SFC |
| # | 15:01:16 | bradl | I don't know about you guys, but I'm just at this meeting for the hors d'oeuvres |
| # | 15:01:17 | afterl | Yes, LBA, and celebrate. |
| # | 15:01:34 | LBA | will we have food? |
| # | 15:01:46 | afterl | Who said anything about food? |
| # | 15:01:47 | bshum | Okay, sounds like governance session shouldn't be missed ;) |
| # | 15:02:00 | bradl | I mean this IRC meeting.. oh... nevermind... |
| # | 15:02:01 | bshum | Last agenda item before we stop (we're a little over an hour now) |
| # | 15:02:05 | LBA | treats courtest of bradl! |
| # | 15:02:12 | bshum | Scheduling the next meeting |
| # | 15:02:25 | LBA quick informational item.... |
| # | 15:02:27 | eeevil | may I request bacon-wrapped-bacon for hors d'oeuvres? |
| # | 15:02:39 | phasefx | always |
| # | 15:02:42 | LBA | eeevil++ bacon++ |
| # | 15:02:47 | bshum | Okay, LBA |
| # | 15:02:59 | LBA | I'm working on developing a comprehensive list of Evergreen features. |
| # | 15:03:09 | LBA | I will need help cleaning it up. |
| # | 15:03:42 | LBA | Eventually it will live on evergreen-ils somewhere in some easily updatable form (I imagine). |
| # | 15:04:00 | eeevil | LBA++ |
| # | 15:04:01 | LBA | My goal is to make RFP responses more manageable (or to kill RFPs entirely if possible). |
| # | 15:04:13 | dbs | Where each feature links to the pertinent documentation? Sounds good |
| # | 15:04:26 | LBA | dbs lets not get ahead of ourselves |
| # | 15:04:54 | LBA | anyway, step one is underway and we can see where it goes from there. |
| # | 15:05:18 | LBA is done now |
| # | 15:05:22 | dbs just doesn't want it to be an island |
| # | 15:05:40 | afterl | [note to self - get lots of bacon for last day of conference] |
| # | 15:06:12 | LBA | dbs, yes, it needs to have relations. will keep that in mind. |
| # | 15:06:27 | dbs heard a rumour the taps in the conf hotel dispense bacon |
| # | 15:06:56 | bshum | So, next meeting is the Evergreen conference. Next meeting after that to be discussed via list? |
| # | 15:07:05 | bshum | Sound good to everybody? |
| # | 15:07:08 | dbs | +1 |
| # | 15:07:09 | phasefx | world of difference between ILS A: Has Acquisitions! and ILS B: Has Acquisitions! links_to_details++ |
| # | 15:07:13 | eeevil | +1 |
| # | 15:07:20 | afterl | No, next meeting is not the Evergreen conference |
| # | 15:07:29 | afterl | meaning - no official meeting |
| # | 15:07:51 | bshum | Right, no official meeting, I just meant generically that a meeting of the community will occur at the conference. |
| # | 15:07:55 | bshum | :) |
| # | 15:07:57 | afterl | right |
| # | 15:08:05 | afterl | just wanted to make that clear |
| # | 15:08:22 | bradl | there will be a meeting of the bacon lovers interest group, tho, apparently |
| # | 15:08:26 | bshum | Okay, then with that, let's call this meeting to a close, unless there's any remaining business. |
| # | 15:08:41 | eeevil | bradl: I think that's the real reason for the conf |
| # | 15:08:49 | afterl | we could go awhile on the bacon theme I th |
| # | 15:08:50 | afterl | ink |
| # | 15:08:51 | bradl | eby: ooo... devious. |
| # | 15:08:58 | bradl | oops I mean eeevil :) |
| # | 15:09:14 | afterl | but no, I'm done |
| # | 15:09:21 | bshum | Alright, thanks everyone, meeting adjourned :) |
| # | 15:09:33 | eeevil | "Open Source: it's about bacon, not freedom. DUH!" |
| # | 15:09:46 | bradl | eeevil: we *should* have called the software everbacon. drats. |
| # | 15:09:53 | jcpl-jasonb | Or, the freedom to comsume bacon. |
| # | 15:10:09 | LBA | crispy or floppy? |
| # | 15:10:28 | moodaepo prefers smoked rabbit to bacon since it's easter season |
| # | 15:10:32 | eeevil | LBA: crispy FOREVAR |
| # | 15:10:41 | LBA | eeevil right on! |
| # | 15:10:59 | phasefx | eeevil: baconaise? |
| # | 15:11:01 | bradl backs out of the floppy vs crispy flamewar before it begins |
| # | 15:11:26 | afterl | [note to self - have some Canadian bacon on hand for our friends up north] |
| # | 15:12:11 | LBA | afterl maybe its just plain "bacon" there. |
| # | 15:12:25 | dbs | back bacon |
| # | 15:12:35 | afterl | oh, right - like French toast |
| # | 15:12:38 | dbs | or peameal bacon |
| # | 15:12:54 | LBA | our canadian bacon is your peameal or back bacon? |
| # | 15:13:05 | eeevil | or "ham" |
| # | 15:13:07 | eeevil ducks |
| # | 15:13:17 | LBA | eeeuuuuh |
| # | 15:13:33 | gmcharlt | eeevil: you mix bacon and duck? interesting choice |
| # | 15:13:42 | dbs | LBA: 'tis the truth |
| # | 15:13:49 | eeevil | gmcharlt: I mix bacon and everything |
| # | 15:13:59 | LBA | dbs: what do you call our bacon...bacon? |
| # | 15:14:12 | dbs | just bacon |
| # | 15:14:17 | bradl | freedom bacon. hmm... |
| # | 15:14:22 | afterl | so our bacon is the real bacon |
| # | 15:14:23 | jcpl-jasonb | I'm guessing southern fried bacon |
| # | 15:14:27 | afterl | interesting |
| # | 15:14:28 | eeevil | bradl++ |
| # | 15:14:31 | LBA | we are agreed. bacon is bacon. |
| # | 15:14:40 | LBA | and crispy is the ONLY way to go |
| # | 15:14:50 | dbs read "let's call this meeting to a close, unless there's any remaining baconness" |
| # | 15:15:03 | eeevil | dibs on the bacon cracklins |
| # | 15:15:27 | LBA is trying to shut up |
| # | 15:15:29 | eeevil stumbles off |
| # | 15:15:55 | gmcharlt | dbs: we don't adjourn meetings any more, we baconfy them |
| # | 15:16:18 | LBA | gmcharlt: we were finally winding things to a close...... |
| # | 15:16:34 | afterl | to be continued .... we'll find some bacon in Georgia ... have a baconfeast .... |
| # | 15:16:53 | LBA | later all, signing out! |
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| # | 15:19:10 | dbs | yay. it turns out that the build slaves will automatically reconnect after the buildmaster has been down for a while |
| # | 15:19:19 | rsoulliere | Have a great weekend everyone! |
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| # | 15:19:41 | dbs | it's like somebody designed the buildbot to be a distributed system or something |
| # | 15:20:23 | gmcharlt | dbs: and more importantly, succeeded |
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| # | 16:06:20 | lisppaste | Dyrcona pasted "config.create_circ_matrix_matchpoint" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121084 |
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| # | 16:11:35 | phasefx | <@bhaak> commit early, commit often <@bhaak> kids, that is only sound advice for programming, not for marriage! < kerio> there's no rollback in marriage, only blame |
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| # | 16:43:59 | chirag | need to talk regarding gsoc? |
| # | 16:44:31 | dbs | chirag: sure, I have just a minute before I have to run |
| # | 16:45:02 | chirag | sir i have made my application to whom should i send it to be reviwed |
| # | 16:45:21 | dbs | chirag: have you submitted the application to the Google Summer of Code site? |
| # | 16:45:31 | chirag | nope not yet |
| # | 16:45:41 | dbs | If so, then it is automatically in the admin / potential mentor's queues for review |
| # | 16:46:30 | chirag | i didnt get you? |
| # | 16:46:31 | dbs | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student |
| # | 16:46:51 | dbs | "If the organization you want to work with has a specific application template they would like you to use, it will be made available to you to fill in when submitting your proposal via the Google Summer of Code web app." |
| # | 16:47:42 | chirag | okay i should make my application according to evergreen template an d send it to google.... |
| # | 16:47:58 | chirag | there is no need of mentor review first... |
| # | 16:48:46 | chirag | i have read that people send their application to their mentor first before sending to google |
| # | 16:49:21 | dbs | chirag: submit your application, we can comment on it and request clarification etc in google-melange.com |
| # | 16:49:27 | dbs has to go now, unfortunately |
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| # | 16:49:48 | chirag | okaY..thank you |
| # | 16:50:27 | chirag | phasefx:can i talk to you? |
| # | 16:50:49 | phasefx | chirag: I'm about to leave as well, but go ahead |
| # | 16:51:23 | chirag | if i send my application to google ..shall i be able to make any changes after that' |
| # | 16:52:14 | phasefx | chirag: I'm not sure, but I don't think it' |
| # | 16:52:58 | phasefx | I don't think it'll matter if the website lets you or not.. you can volunteer information to mentors and we can ask questions if needed |
| # | 16:53:24 | phasefx | chirag: try the #gsoc channel if you really need to know |
| # | 16:53:42 | chirag | can you review my application |
| # | 16:54:07 | chirag | so that i can come to know of my errors |
| # | 16:55:20 | phasefx | chirag: you can send it to me, but I can't promise I'll have to time to much more than skim it. You should not wait on me to submit your application to google |
| # | 16:55:57 | phasefx | I haven't reviewed anyone else's application either, so you're not exactly losing out here |
| # | 16:56:23 | chirag | could you suggest me some dos and donts to get my application selected in my organisation |
| # | 16:56:43 | chirag | your organisation* |
| # | 16:57:25 | phasefx | it's just like applying for a job. Don't pretend to be something you're not, be honest, and if you're not enthusiastic/interested in the work, consider going after something else |
| # | 16:58:34 | chirag | should i explain my project at a detailed level in my application... |
| # | 16:59:00 | chirag | or just overview of everything i'm going to do? |
| # | 17:00:54 | phasefx | more details show that you've done more research, but I wouldn't expect you to have a detailed specification of work. Part of your time will be figuring out specifics |
| # | 17:01:22 | phasefx | chirag: I must go now, do checkout the #gsoc channel if you need more advice in this regard |
| # | 17:01:37 | chirag | okay thank you for your help |
| # | 17:01:40 | chirag | :) |
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| # | 22:02:26 | denials | @later tell phasefx we actually do expect a reasonably detailed specification of work, at least in terms of scheduling and approach - per http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/writing-a-proposal/ |
| # | 22:02:26 | pinesol` | denials: The operation succeeded. |
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| # | 22:02:53 | denials | sure, _now_ dbs shows up |
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| # | 22:04:34 | dbs | My work here is done. |
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