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| # | 10:46:55 | moodaepo | dbs phasefx: dokuwiki for the whole site would be fine with me. The only issue might be controlling who has access to updating the more main pages. I did notice zotero uses wordpress for the blog side of things. |
| # | 10:48:18 | dbs | moodaepo: the issue with control of main pages is more about deciding "who has control?" given that dokuwiki has nice access permissions built in. yeah, makes sense to use blog software for a blog :) |
| # | 10:48:31 | moodaepo | The idea with the rss/atom pull was to make the main page more active, reword the paragraph and drop this below |
| # | 10:49:44 | dbs | moodaepo: yeah, that's what I was thinking too when I proposed that :) the issue there is more about design, it's easy to create widgets but figuring out how to fit them in cleanly is hard |
| # | 10:50:22 | phasefx | if anyone is interested in dokuwiki as a replacement, they could create the pages now, show them off, and see if folks like it |
| # | 10:50:44 | eeevil | could we get dokuwiki upgraded first? ;) |
| # | 10:50:48 | phasefx | no |
| # | 10:50:57 | phasefx | :-) |
| # | 10:51:01 | eeevil | not that the 10 line yellow banner at the top isn't purty ;) |
| # | 10:51:02 | dbs | s/dokuwiki/server/ |
| # | 10:51:21 | dbs | we need a web team! |
| # | 10:51:21 | moodaepo | dbs: Makes sense to me too (blog software) as for design/rewording I am going to give it a shot.Damn time is the problem : ) |
| # | 10:51:33 | phasefx has to do that in spare time, if it's going to be him. spare time in IRC notwithstanding :) |
| # | 10:51:42 | dbs | moodaepo; zactly, speaking of which... I gots to focus |
| # | 10:52:34 | moodaepo | phasefx: What version of dokuwiki are we running and any reason not to upgrade? |
| # | 10:53:38 | moodaepo | Also did we move to the new PINES servers yet which I'd also offered to help with in cleanup (yea right like I did anything...in the last 3 months) |
| # | 10:53:55 | phasefx | moodaepo: that server was running debian testing for a long time, and there was a struggle to get it onto something more stable. I think you could very well try an apt-get upgrade now and end up breaking something. So TLC is needed. My notion was just to transfer data to another stable system (we need to do that anyway, to get off the current hardware, which is old) |
| # | 10:54:43 | phasefx moved some data to the new server as an experiment/proof-of-concept, but didn't document the process |
| # | 10:54:59 | phasefx | some stuff from the blog didn't transfer, IIRC. The wiki worked |
| # | 10:57:40 | phasefx | debian hasn't been very good with packages like dokuwiki, historically. The version tends to lag behind, and sometimes it's packaged weird, requiring some server admin juggling |
| # | 10:58:48 | dbs prefers dokuwiki from source |
| # | 10:58:56 | dbs | dbs: focus! |
| # | 10:59:25 | gmcharlt also prefers dokuwiki from source |
| # | 11:02:05 | dbs | gmcharlt: hadn't heard of the pgsql 9.0 performance book before - nice |
| # | 11:02:53 | tsbere | phasefx: Don't think you ever grabbed the "no license page by default" commit on my installer branch, and I just pushed a fix there too. Care to take a look? |
| # | 11:03:08 | phasefx | tsbere: can do, gracias |
| # | 11:04:05 | moodaepo | phasefx: So the PINES server needs to be re-installed with stable? And 'if' I finally decide to spend time on that server it will be ok/useful? |
| # | 11:04:26 | dbs | also - I guess for EG 2.0.next we should include an FTS SQL file for pgsql 9.0 if we want to support 9.0 on EG 2.0 |
| # | 11:07:09 | phasefx | moodaepo: it'd be ok/useful with me if evergreen-ils.org is upgraded/maintained, but it needs to be deprecated at some point, with us switching over to GPLS' lupin server |
| # | 11:07:59 | dbs | Could move the planet over too, to get more of our eggs in one basket |
| # | 11:08:01 | phasefx | moodaepo: also, leed has volunteered to backup data from evergreen-ils.org to lupin |
| # | 11:08:23 | moodaepo | Will do! |
| # | 11:08:27 | moodaepo | leed++ |
| # | 11:08:44 | dbs | We need an infrastructure team that's separate from a web team, probably. content / design != low-level server administration |
| # | 11:09:42 | jeff | right. |
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| # | 11:10:16 | moodaepo | I agree, this is turning out to be a major discussion now not the minor one I started with : ) |
| # | 11:10:21 | jeff | has GPLS gotten their IP addressing all straightened out yet? |
| # | 11:11:11 | moodaepo | csharp would know. |
| # | 11:17:09 | moodaepo | Just saw this on #koha do we want to apply also? > http://season.openusability.org/index.php/sou | http://openusability.org/UCCASS/survey.php?sid=56 |
| # | 11:22:21 | dbs | Do we have usability mentors? |
| # | 11:22:47 | moodaepo | I think they provide the mentors and look for students, they just need projects to work on. |
| # | 11:28:31 | moodaepo | Yea looks like it's not a very active effort, maybe we can add a usability item to the GSoC page and see if any UI students might want to apply? |
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| # | 11:51:50 | csharp | jeff: not yet :( - our IT department got backlogged with requests and the IP block change will hopefully happen early next month. I'm SO sorry for the delays! This was a truly unforeseen circumstance. Once the issue is resolved, we'll be full steam ahead for email lists, XMPP, and even hosting a new SVN/Git/whatever if desired |
| # | 11:53:10 | csharp | lupin is a VM on the server that needs to be moved, FYI |
| # | 11:53:41 | csharp | so there would be a brief interruption of service (probably an evening's worth) when the move finally happens |
| # | 11:54:20 | moodaepo | csharp: Does the OS need to re-installed for lupin? |
| # | 11:55:51 | csharp | moodaepo: not that I'm aware of. It's running lenny, though so we might consider an OS upgrade before (re)installing anything major |
| # | 11:56:17 | moodaepo | Just checking |
| # | 11:56:20 | csharp can do whatever |
| # | 11:56:39 | moodaepo | csharp++ |
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| # | 14:52:35 | dbs | csharp: does PINES block patrons from placing a hold on a title if they currently have checked out a copy that would fulfill that hold? |
| # | 14:53:18 | tsbere | that....is an interesting "special case" situation. |
| # | 14:53:38 | dbs | tsbere: it's probably magnified in academic libraries where items are on reserve for 2 hour loans |
| # | 14:54:26 | tsbere | Would be an interesting way to get around not being allowed to renew. Place a new hold on it and hope you are the next in line when you return it. |
| # | 14:54:28 | dbs | just working through Holds.pm and have an idea of how to prevent the hold from succeeding, but wondered if anybody had alternative methods to do so |
| # | 14:54:36 | dbs | yeah, precisely |
| # | 14:54:42 | phasefx | another academic special case is not permitting holds if copies are available on shelf; I thought that interesting |
| # | 14:55:11 | dbs | heh, that's a normal case for us academics :) |
| # | 14:55:43 | phasefx | you know you're special :D |
| # | 14:55:59 | tsbere | On the other hand, I have placed a hold on an item I was holding because the item I was holding had issues. Two such cases involved a book missing 9 pages (that I discovered when I reached them) and a DVD that wouldn't play at all. |
| # | 14:59:08 | dbs | Yeah. Or multi-volume sets. In our case, we think that's a lower frequency than the reserve norms violators |
| # | 14:59:09 | eeevil | dbs: in 2.0? |
| # | 14:59:25 | dbs | eeevil: 1.6 for now, which is why I was bugging csharp first :) |
| # | 14:59:37 | eeevil | ahh... well, csharp is on 1.4 ;) |
| # | 14:59:41 | dbs | and script-based, of course |
| # | 15:00:10 | eeevil | 1.6 can do that ... there's a helper to get the available copy count for the record |
| # | 15:00:45 | eeevil | IIRC, parsr does that ... maybe UPEI? |
| # | 15:02:09 | tsbere | Interestingly, I think indb can do that kind of check for circ only, not holds. |
| # | 15:03:56 | dbs | eeevil: I've seen the available copy count helper, but it doesn't really interest me |
| # | 15:04:41 | dbs | I'm planning on grabbing a list of all targetable copies for a given hold, and checking to see if any of those copies are in the patron's current circ list |
| # | 15:05:18 | dbs | unless you're talking about the holds for on-shelf items, which is a different matter :) |
| # | 15:06:14 | StephenGWills | how do I get a sitemap of the EG.org's dokuwiki? |
| # | 15:06:25 | eeevil | dbs: that's what I was thinking of, yes |
| # | 15:06:25 | dbs | StephenGWills: click "Index" at the bottom |
| # | 15:06:29 | eeevil | so, nm |
| # | 15:06:31 | StephenGWills | I promised the comm comm a list of pages with "fix-me" tags |
| # | 15:06:35 | StephenGWills | ok |
| # | 15:06:38 | StephenGWills | tx |
| # | 15:15:09 | dbs | eeevil: no, that's helpful for catching people who slip through the skin-level work we did to hide the "Place Hold" link for available items |
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| # | 15:18:27 | AaronZ-PLS | Good Morning all, what is the difference between biblio.record_entry.active and biblio.record_entry.deleted? We have some bib records which are both active and deleted. They have items attatched and do NOT have the red "THIS ITEM IS DELETED" when you look them up by bib id?? |
| # | 15:18:43 | LBA | Hi All, just popping in to see if anyone wants to put in a vote for an Evergreen hashtag. Two top contenders are #evgils and #egils. |
| # | 15:19:07 | AaronZ-PLS votes for #egils |
| # | 15:21:58 | dbs | The Google has only 1340 results for #evgils, vs. > 1 million for #egils. I therefore prefer #evgils |
| # | 15:22:41 | phasefx has been swayed, another vote for #egvils |
| # | 15:22:52 | dbs | egvils! a new one! |
| # | 15:23:15 | phasefx | a first vote, then |
| # | 15:23:17 | rangi | that's a fairly compelling argument dbs |
| # | 15:23:35 | dbs | It also has established usage by csharp and the like, which weighs in its favour IMO |
| # | 15:23:45 | LBA | egv? |
| # | 15:23:50 | rangi | #evgils +1 |
| # | 15:23:51 | phasefx | LBA: ignore egv |
| # | 15:23:56 | eeevil | boooo on the v |
| # | 15:24:18 | dbs | 13 results for evgils on Bing, vs. 98,000 for egils |
| # | 15:24:36 | dbs | boooo eeeeil |
| # | 15:24:45 | moodaepo agrees with eeevil that the v are pretty horrid |
| # | 15:25:24 | LBA | dbs are you an evgils vote? |
| # | 15:25:27 | rangi | ill take utility of aesthetics :) |
| # | 15:25:40 | rangi | s/of/over/ |
| # | 15:25:49 | LBA | moodaepo are you an egils vote? |
| # | 15:26:44 | dbs | vegils |
| # | 15:27:02 | StephenGWills | LOL! |
| # | 15:27:50 | LBA | there is a Twitter user named evgils.... |
| # | 15:28:25 | LBA | well, an extremely inactive twitterer |
| # | 15:28:44 | phasefx | @evgils can ignore #evgils :) |
| # | 15:28:44 | pinesol` | phasefx: Error: "evgils" is not a valid command. |
| # | 15:28:51 | StephenGWills | he probably wants to restart apache? |
| # | 15:30:31 | dbs | LBA: fwiw, which is not much for a person with no Facebook account and a mostly write-only Twitter account, I vote for #evgils |
| # | 15:32:06 | phasefx | tsbere: I had built a client from trunk, stamped 1_trunk100, and doing the updates dance with no previous history. switched to your installer branch, and built one for 1_trunk101, also doing the updates dance. Trying to do an incremental upgrade from 100 to 101 gave an error, Update XML file malformed (200) |
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| # | 15:33:59 | phasefx | tsbere: hrmm, but I may know a cause for that.. the trees were built with different updateshost ip's |
| # | 15:34:30 | AaronZ-PLS | Bump: Anyone know what biblio.record_entry.active does. Why would it be set as "true" on deleted records with no copies or vols? |
| # | 15:35:51 | moodaepo | LBA: I am abstaining since I don't use twitter |
| # | 15:37:04 | LBA | hashtags are increasingly useful beyond twitter. take away the # and it is simply a tag for blog posts, facebook, and GKWE. |
| # | 15:37:49 | moodaepo | AaronZ-PLS: One sec let me check something |
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| # | 15:43:58 | dbs is with moodaepo, as identi.ca uses !evergreen for the Evergreen group I'm never going to use either #evgils or #egils anyway |
| # | 15:44:31 | LBA | dbs shall I retract your vote and make it an abstain? |
| # | 15:44:52 | eeevil | is evergreen really too long? it's only 4 (or 3, with the dreaded v) chars longer |
| # | 15:45:20 | LBA | too many other evergreens on twitter - like a college for instance. its a big pain |
| # | 15:45:41 | moodaepo | LBA: Actually I like what kmlussier did and since you can use multiple tags we have 3 approved > http://hashtags.org/EvgILS |
| # | 15:45:43 | dbs | If only we had a project name like open-ils... |
| # | 15:45:57 | eeevil | dbs: don't get me started ... :) |
| # | 15:46:14 | LBA | Miker says "I have almost always seen others shorten Evergreen to EG, with very few exceptions (only one I can think of before this thread started)." |
| # | 15:46:44 | dbs | who is this miker person, and why is his email getting quoted in IRC? |
| # | 15:46:47 | LBA | Miker also says "'eg' has 6 years of history and precedent, so I'm strongly in favor of that." |
| # | 15:46:50 | kmlussier | I used to use #evergreenils, but bshum convinced me it was too long. |
| # | 15:46:51 | LBA | miker++ |
| # | 15:46:51 | moodaepo | #EgILS #EvgILS and #Evergreen since http://twitter.pbworks.com/w/page/1779812/Hashtags suggests CamelCaseing to maintain legibility |
| # | 15:47:26 | bshum | kmlussier: I think I used to prefer egils but then I got warped by Kate to read that with the e-gills :) |
| # | 15:47:39 | dbs | EvErGrEeN for the ultimate camelCase |
| # | 15:47:42 | kmlussier | egils makes me think of eagles. |
| # | 15:47:44 | moodaepo | dbs++ |
| # | 15:48:16 | StephenGWills | bshum: as in "fly with the e-gills"? |
| # | 15:48:17 | LBA | egils makes me think of egalite |
| # | 15:48:41 | LBA | StephenGWills - another good reason not to vote for that! Horrible song. |
| # | 15:48:42 | eeevil | dbs: always start smallcase! eVeRgReEn 4eva! |
| # | 15:48:54 | phasefx worries about those poor phone twitterers :) |
| # | 15:49:16 | LBA | I don't think you guys are taking this issue seriously... |
| # | 15:49:37 | moodaepo | But if I had to choose with a gun to my head let's go with #evgils |
| # | 15:49:48 | dbs | We could use random accents to make it unique: #Évérgrëèn |
| # | 15:49:50 | moodaepo | I do like 3 approved tags |
| # | 15:50:27 | LBA | no guns to heads |
| # | 15:50:40 | phasefx | let's use the double-dagger. catalogers would get a kick out of it |
| # | 15:50:49 | dbs | phasefx++ |
| # | 15:50:51 | moodaepo | Hah only a Canadian would get into umlauting camelcased hastags and probably gmcharlt : ) |
| # | 15:51:16 | eeevil | phasefx: you, sir, are the winner |
| # | 15:51:22 | eeevil | of what I don't know yet |
| # | 15:51:27 | rangi | moodaepo: macrons ftw |
| # | 15:51:41 | phasefx | #. |
| # | 15:52:09 | phasefx | if that pasted correctly I'll be shocked |
| # | 15:52:47 | moodaepo is hoping #evgils makes the cut! |
| # | 15:52:49 | eeevil wonders why nobody has created a site that pulls slashdot stories, twitter-izes the summaries, and calls it hashdot |
| # | 15:53:10 | eeevil | phasefx: it didn't for me |
| # | 15:53:14 | StephenGWills | they did but all they saw was a whale |
| # | 15:54:17 | phasefx wouldn't want to get hashdotted |
| # | 15:54:45 | eeevil | #\u2021 |
| # | 15:54:45 | rangi | mmm hash |
| # | 15:55:01 | dbs | #‡ |
| # | 15:55:01 | bshum | I'm poking at the archives to find the original discussion some of us had about evgils vs. egils |
| # | 15:55:05 | bshum | But it was a long time ago |
| # | 15:55:17 | moodaepo | and the winner of the double sword is....dbs |
| # | 15:55:48 | dbs | CTRL-Shift-u 2021 (thanks for the code, eeevil) |
| # | 15:56:01 | dbs | okay, really have to get out of here |
| # | 15:56:03 | eeevil | #‡ (double hashes, too) |
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| # | 15:56:36 | rangi | didnt biblios already take the doubledagger |
| # | 15:56:54 | rangi | id look, but oh liblime screwed that up too |
| # | 15:57:11 | moodaepo | rangi: Yes they did...also I had to look up macron (being newish to libraries : ) |
| # | 15:57:14 | eeevil | rangi: hopefully not for it's full name ... but, yeah, in marketing junk |
| # | 15:57:18 | moodaepo | rangi++ |
| # | 15:57:57 | rangi | moodaepo: we make use of macrons a lot down here being Māori :) |
| # | 15:58:00 | moodaepo | So I'm wondering if this photo made it to the blog > http://www.flickr.com/photos/44124401501@N01/4974238891 |
| # | 15:58:29 | bshum | moodaepo: I definitely remember seeing that on Facebook. But now that you mention it... hmm, blog... |
| # | 15:58:52 | moodaepo | rangi: I guessed that, since I am a fan of NZ films |
| # | 15:59:05 | rangi | oh you are? cool |
| # | 15:59:42 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/NZ_Pop_Culture#Movies |
| # | 16:00:25 | rangi | (some of the kohacon10 attendees wanted to watch some nz pop culture stuff before the conference) |
| # | 16:00:28 | wjr__ | missing a lot of music |
| # | 16:00:36 | rangi | yes, yes it is |
| # | 16:00:49 | wjr__ | <-- huge tall dwarfs fan :) |
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| # | 16:00:52 | rangi | i just put the ones i had in my playlist that day :) |
| # | 16:01:00 | rangi | chris knox ftw |
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| # | 16:07:42 | phasefx | @later tell tsbere not sure what it is, but trunk seems broken for me now with regards to the client upgrade feature. malformed XML |
| # | 16:07:42 | pinesol` | phasefx: The operation succeeded. |
| # | 16:14:53 | tsbere | phasefx: malformed xml? Is xulrunner telling you this when checking for upgrades? |
| # | 16:15:08 | phasefx | tsbere: right |
| # | 16:15:20 | tsbere | Hmmm |
| # | 16:15:38 | phasefx | tsbere: I've switched dev environments though, so will try it on the old one |
| # | 16:15:59 | phasefx | installing pushed to trunk |
| # | 16:17:14 | phasefx | and stubs. hitting rel_2_1 now |
| # | 16:21:49 | tsbere | phasefx: If you visit updates/check/<some ver string>/update.xml or updates/check/win/<some ver string>/update.xml you should get some indication of the problem. |
| # | 16:24:33 | phasefx | nothing obvious |
| # | 16:24:37 | phasefx | will paste |
| # | 16:25:27 | lisppaste | phasefx pasted "update.xml" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120605 |
| # | 16:26:02 | tsbere | It doesn't look invalid |
| # | 16:27:02 | tsbere | Passes w3c's validator, even. |
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| # | 16:28:04 | tsbere | phasefx: You sure the update host is set correctly in the client? |
| # | 16:28:56 | phasefx | I checked what was showing up in config.status |
| # | 16:29:31 | phasefx | okay, it's working fine in my old environment |
| # | 16:29:56 | phasefx tries again, "I'll feel bad but relieved if it goes away |
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| # | 16:37:06 | phasefx | still happening in the other environment. hrmm. http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/AUS%20Update%20XML%20File%20Malformed%20200 |
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| # | 16:38:04 | tsbere | What is the autoupdate.js file setting the url to? |
| # | 16:38:44 | phasefx | https://192.168.1.105/updates/check/%CHANNEL%/%VERSION%/update.xml |
| # | 16:38:58 | tsbere | Try changing to just http instead of https |
| # | 16:41:05 | phasefx | no error |
| # | 16:41:11 | phasefx | probably my cert? |
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| # | 16:42:02 | tsbere | The updater doesn't allow certs from manual install/override |
| # | 16:42:04 | phasefx | // NOTE: Certs that default to invalid, even those overridden with cert_override.txt, won't work with this |
| # | 16:42:11 | tsbere | Yea |
| # | 16:42:12 | phasefx | pooh :) sorry man |
| # | 16:42:12 | tsbere | That |
| # | 16:42:36 | phasefx | so my other environment must have it nice |
| # | 16:44:09 | tsbere | Everyone makes mistakes. And that is an easy one to forget about. |
| # | 16:44:59 | phasefx | could use a friendlier error, I suppose |
| # | 16:45:11 | tsbere | True. But I don't know how to get a better one in there. |
| # | 16:46:01 | phasefx | me neither, I like my veils of abstraction when I can keep them :) |
| # | 16:48:18 | tsbere | I did put a big warning block in the dokuwiki page describing the automatic update stuff about that issue, though |
| # | 16:49:29 | tsbere | Extensions are a bigger PITA, they require SSL on the update link or signing with a tool that, last I checked, actually requires a graphical environment |
| # | 16:50:37 | phasefx | hrmm, I someone here made an extension for the client, but I don't know what they had to go through |
| # | 16:50:52 | tsbere | ? |
| # | 16:51:02 | phasefx | they changed how the login window looks |
| # | 16:51:15 | tsbere | Ok. |
| # | 16:51:16 | phasefx | crunchy cone, or pine cone, or some such |
| # | 16:51:40 | phasefx | http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2010-April/002703.html |
| # | 16:51:41 | tsbere | Making extensions is actually fairly easy. |
| # | 16:52:36 | phasefx | ah, he had an SSL server from google |
| # | 16:53:23 | tsbere | yep. |
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| # | 17:13:42 | moodaepo | rangi: Was in a meeting and yea I did check out your list last year and watched Boy had seen Whalerider and Once we were warriors a while back. |
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| # | 17:14:36 | rangi | moodaepo: siones wedding is very good (i think they titled it a samoan wedding for the us market)) |
| # | 17:15:43 | moodaepo | Yea that looked interesting, I should make a list ok kiwi films I've watched someday I'm pretty sure it will be over 10 hah |
| # | 17:23:39 | rangi | hmm lemme find you something |
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| # | 17:26:09 | rangi | http://www.nzonscreen.com/watch/film |
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| # | 22:45:31 | gmcharlt | eeevil: about? |
| # | 22:47:03 | gmcharlt | eeevil: I think the opensrf commit I just made warrants cutting a 1.6.3 (and I'm willing to go through that exercise) |
| # | 22:49:11 | gmcharlt | @later tell dbs wasn't freezethaw per se after all; see the commit to opensrf I just made |
| # | 22:49:11 | pinesol` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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