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| # | 09:09:29 | mrpeters-isl | morning everyone. is anyone out there doing any sort of database replication for a seperate reports database? i had some high hopes that i could use the hot standby feature in postgres until i found out its not supported until version 9.0! :( |
| # | 09:10:16 | gmcharlt | several EG sites use slony for that purpose |
| # | 09:11:46 | mrpeters-isl | ok. we're having a LOT of downtime lately due to reports that seem to turn into never ending SELECT's and really would like to get a seperate reports only server up to avoid this |
| # | 09:12:38 | mrpeters-isl | i was looking at pgpool II with master/slave replication but Slony looks interesting too |
| # | 09:14:28 | dbs | gmcharlt: slony seems to be the standard evergreen option |
| # | 09:14:36 | dbs | s/gmcharlt/mrpeters-isl/ |
| # | 09:14:40 | dbs | too tired, sorry |
| # | 09:14:47 | mrpeters-isl | ok! |
| # | 09:14:48 | mrpeters-isl | thanks guys |
| # | 09:15:17 | gmcharlt | dbs: wow! news! ;) |
| # | 09:16:23 | dbs | gmcharlt: yeah, I'm a total broken record. sorry (again) |
| # | 09:16:31 | dbs | congrats on the 3.2.0 release candidate, btw |
| # | 09:16:34 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| # | 09:18:09 | dbs peeks at http://ask.debian.net/ - built on shapado - maybe something to put into the web/communication committee's hopper to chew on? |
| # | 09:22:44 | gmcharlt | heh - I see that a question from somebody trying to install Koha is on the top of the list |
| # | 09:23:49 | gmcharlt | dbs: the interface looks interesting; I think the trick is getting enough people actively answering questions |
| # | 09:24:59 | dbs | gmcharlt: yes, actively + usefully |
| # | 09:25:37 | gmcharlt | darn, I can't just write a script to supply '42' in response to every question? |
| # | 09:26:11 | dbs | Although responses like "I have no clue, that interface is really confusing and I don't see any docs for it anywhere" could be interpreted as useful in a broader sense, I suppose |
| # | 09:28:07 | jeff | moof. |
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| # | 09:30:17 | jeff | wow that shapado site looks quite a bit like stackexchange. |
| # | 09:30:21 | jeff | aha: http://blog.ricodigo.com/2009/9/27/shapado-a-foss-replacement-for-stackoverflow/shapado |
| # | 09:30:29 | eeevil | mrpeters-isl: re replication, yes, don't use pgpool's replication, it's not smart enough, but you can use it all day long for load balancing |
| # | 09:31:03 | gmcharlt | and even during nights, too! *rimshot(* |
| # | 09:31:30 | eeevil | :) |
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| # | 09:31:51 | jeff | (two drums and a cymbal fall off a cliff...) |
| # | 09:32:14 | dbs | jeff: yes, I imagine that's the point. stackexchange-ish but with code and data under the control of the community |
| # | 09:32:57 | jeff | dbs: one of the comments on that blog post was somewhat critical, calling it "free-as-in-autocracy". i was amused. :) |
| # | 09:33:23 | jeff | (though i'm not sure it's accurate) |
| # | 09:34:10 | dbs | jeff: I'm just throwing out another option, in the past we've been criticized as not being approachable because we don't have web forums, this seems like a possible option for a middle way |
| # | 09:34:38 | jeff | the stackexchange model does have a lot going for it over web forums. |
| # | 09:35:11 | dbs | Or we could just put it all of Facebook. |
| # | 09:35:18 | jeff | :P |
| # | 09:35:44 | jeff | fwiw, there's another library community using the stackexchange framework here: http://answers.unshelved.com/ |
| # | 09:36:05 | jeff | that is stackexchange incubated through their area51 site, not shapado. |
| # | 09:37:02 | jeff | like apache's incubator, there are stages... they're in "bootstrap" mode. shapado would probably be the better option for evergreen at this point. |
| # | 09:43:47 | dbs | heh. never good to get high load alerts from servers you've almost completely forgotten about. |
| # | 09:43:59 | jeff | starved for attention. |
| # | 09:44:59 | tsbere | dbs: A few days ago I got a high load alert for a server I haven't logged into for years |
| # | 09:48:23 | tsbere wants to know why his email address is still in that server, given that he hasn't had login access to it for years |
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| # | 09:51:29 | dbs | tsbere: you're its last hope, obi-wan tsbere |
| # | 09:51:58 | tsbere | dbs: I don't have login access due to a desire to shut it off. For good. :P |
| # | 10:11:57 | tsbere starts work on circ matchpoint docs |
| # | 10:12:33 | dbs | tsbere++ |
| # | 10:20:00 | dbs | @later tell bshum thanks for your questions about the draft rules of governance; I was beginning to wonder if anyone had even read them |
| # | 10:20:00 | pinesol | dbs: The operation succeeded. |
| # | 10:28:09 | jeff | docs++ |
| # | 10:28:12 | jeff | tsbere++ |
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| # | 11:01:46 | atz | MEMEBERSHIP => Meme-bership? or Me Me bership? # All about me. |
| # | 11:02:44 | dbs | atz++ |
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| # | 11:07:57 | eeevil | who do I petition for a membership nomination? ;) |
| # | 11:13:02 | Dyrcona | eeevil: I asked this question yesterday and on Friday, but I don't think you noticed, so I'll ask again. |
| # | 11:13:27 | Dyrcona | eeevil: Is r18151 going to be backported from trunk to rel_2_0? |
| # | 11:13:41 | Dyrcona | It was, apparently, backported to rel_1_6. |
| # | 11:14:38 | eeevil | Dyrcona: no, it will not |
| # | 11:14:58 | eeevil | because it's a significant new feature and schema change it will be 2.1 and 1.6.2 |
| # | 11:15:13 | Dyrcona | ok. thanks. |
| # | 11:15:48 | Dyrcona | It looks like something I'd want to use. :) |
| # | 11:18:44 | eeevil | Dyrcona: and you'll be able to ;) |
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| # | 12:17:16 | parsr | upgraded a test system from Ubu 8.04 to 10.04; but it knocked out my pgl install; now have PG 8.4 installed, started, then stopped to update *.conf files to match our system including custom db data directory; now restart of Mr Postgres gives me two errors: mydirectory/xx is "not a valid data directory" and mydirectory/PG_VERSION is missing. Tips for the newbie errors? |
| # | 12:19:47 | jeff | parsr: could be a mess. here's a few thigns to check... |
| # | 12:19:59 | jeff | parsr: do you now have two installs of postgres? |
| # | 12:20:32 | jeff | parsr: you can't just copy an 8.3 data directory and use it with 8.4 without upgrading it -- but since postgres can't even find your data dir, we're not there yet. |
| # | 12:21:02 | jeff | parsr: sounds like you've pointed postgres at a directory that either doesn't exist or doesn't contain PG_VERSION, which it expects to find. double-check your config changes? |
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| # | 12:22:23 | jeff | parsr: the value for data_directory should point to a directory (mine does not have a trailing slash) such as the default /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main (for 8.3 on ubuntu hardy) |
| # | 12:22:59 | parsr | jeff: correct -- just 8.4 install; not copying any EG data from previous versions; working to start EG database from scratch |
| # | 12:23:05 | jeff | parsr: that dir needs to have proper permissions also, in my case owner:group postgres:postgres and perms 0700 |
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| # | 12:23:39 | jeff | parsr: aha. then in that case you'll need to create the data directory -- you can either move the contents of the system-installed directory, or... |
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| # | 12:24:31 | jeff | parsr: see here for directions on creating a new cluster in your preferred location on disk: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/interactive/creating-cluster.html |
| # | 12:26:05 | jeff | parsr: there may be gotchas on charset/locale with calling initdb in this way -- you may want to copy/move the system installed default, or consult your previous install's charset/locale -- it may or may not have any impact when you create/restore your eg db. |
| # | 12:27:55 | parsr | jeff: thanks -- will try both your suggestions ; data directory previous created with good perms for postgres user so copy or initdb should work. will try after munch time..Thx! |
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| # | 14:06:13 | parsr | jeff: your initdb suggestion worked, then I ran into "server.crt: No such file or directory" error which in turn could be solved by either running these openssl steps: http://tinyurl.com/3464h4b ; or in my case creating links for server.crt and server.key to /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem and /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key respectively. Back up now. Thanks for the tips! |
| # | 14:08:00 | dbs | parsr: your domain looks a little fishy |
| # | 14:08:13 | dbs | "haddock.kyleandjessica.com" eh? |
| # | 14:11:08 | parsr | dbs: yes, the things we have to do to access IRC from my employer's network! Note to employer: please open port for me and it's ok to log/review my posts (yes, I'm trying to work here!) |
| # | 14:11:29 | dbs | parsr++ |
| # | 14:11:42 | mrpeters-isl | to those using slony: i've got the two servers talking to each other, but need some information on what tables need to be replicated |
| # | 14:14:49 | eeevil | mrpeters-isl: all of them? there's a script in support-scripts IIRC that will give you a list of tables and sequences that need to be added to the replication set |
| # | 14:16:11 | mrpeters-isl | eeevil: ok. I had assumed it would be all of them, but just checking. thanks for the clue I'll look there |
| # | 14:17:45 | eeevil | just not the tables in the replication setup schema ... that would be bad |
| # | 14:18:00 | mrpeters-isl | i'm not eeing anything obvious in there....do you have any idea which script it might be? |
| # | 14:18:08 | mrpeters-isl | looking in the 1.6.0.0 source tree |
| # | 14:19:13 | eeevil | Open-ILS/examples/build-eg-replication.sh in the trunk tree I'm looking at |
| # | 14:19:45 | bshum | atz++ user group wishlist, ha :) |
| # | 14:20:06 | mrpeters-isl | eeevil: ok ill have a look |
| # | 14:29:45 | mrpeters-isl | eeevil: "NUMNODES" = server + # hosts or just # of hosts |
| # | 14:30:21 | eeevil | I don't recall |
| # | 14:30:40 | mrpeters-isl | ok |
| # | 14:31:07 | moodaepo | dbs++ atz++ gmcharlt++ bshum++ # governance discussion |
| # | 14:43:15 | bshum | gmcharlt: Hmm, have you had a chance to poke at pushing that fix you alluded to for the 1.6.0.x upgrades? |
| # | 14:43:32 | gmcharlt | bshum: not yet, should have a moment later today |
| # | 14:43:58 | bshum | gmcharlt: Cool deal. Will keep my eyes open and test it out. Thanks! |
| # | 14:44:45 | mrpeters-isl | eeevil: do you happen to know what verison of Postgres this was written for? I'm getting some "No function matches" errors |
| # | 14:45:28 | mrpeters-isl | ERROR: function array_accum(text) does not exist as well |
| # | 14:47:21 | dbs | mrpeters-isl: did you just use a blank database? |
| # | 14:47:32 | eeevil | mrpeters-isl: that's created by 002.functions.aggregate.sql ... perhaps you need to point it at your evergreen db |
| # | 14:48:00 | mrpeters-isl | dbs: no, i'm using the evergreen db, though, i don't ever recall applying 002.functions... after restoring it from a snapshot |
| # | 14:48:20 | dbs | sounds like the restore might have gone poorly |
| # | 14:48:24 | eeevil | mrpeters-isl: you don't have to after restoring from a snapshot |
| # | 14:48:35 | mrpeters-isl | ok then something else is wrong |
| # | 14:48:37 | eeevil | if, by snapshot, you mean a backup |
| # | 14:48:43 | mrpeters-isl | yeah, a backup |
| # | 14:49:24 | mrpeters-isl | ok...i see my problem here |
| # | 14:49:36 | mrpeters-isl | postgres user is looking at the wrong cluster |
| # | 14:54:42 | dbs | eeevil++ # pinpointing the problem immediately |
| # | 14:58:47 | mrpeters-isl | FWIW: passing "-d evergreen" into the embedded query you have in the script helped...not sure if thats just my setup or that's how it should read |
| # | 14:59:28 | eeevil | mrpeters-isl: PGDATABASE=evergreen on the command line should be enough |
| # | 14:59:50 | mrpeters-isl | ok, i had set that in my .bashrc so perhaps i had a typo |
| # | 15:03:06 | eeevil | if it's su'ing with a - or something, that won't work, obviously |
| # | 15:03:30 | mrpeters-isl | eeevil: thanks for taking the time to create this script...its quite helpful |
| # | 15:08:18 | eeevil | np ... no promises that it delivers 100% coverage. it's meant to be a starting point and an example |
| # | 15:08:51 | mrpeters-isl | just experimenting righ tnwo |
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| # | 16:03:43 | jhaig | I'm just listening to the podcast on Floss Weekly from a few weeks ago. I had a look at koha some time ago and found it way, way too complicated. Is evergreen simpler? (Ie, usable by someone who is not already an expert librarian) |
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| # | 16:08:08 | jhaig | Hmmm, koha has just been mentioned. :-) |
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| # | 16:13:47 | dbs | jhaig: there are some people on IRC like atz and gmcharlt who can do a much better comparison of koha vs. evergreen than I can. It's probably safe to say, though, that evergreen is as complicated, if not more complicated, than koha. |
| # | 16:14:13 | dbs | It's the nature of libraries to demand that their systems be complicated, I think. |
| # | 16:14:27 | atz | EG is certainly more complicated that koha. but the main difference besides architecture is UNIMARC support. |
| # | 16:14:55 | gmcharlt | jhaig: dbs has it; both Koha and EG are systems used by professional librarians, however you wish to define the term |
| # | 16:15:00 | jhaig | OK, thanks. Since starting to look at library software I've come to realise that it is all a whole lot more complicated than I realised. |
| # | 16:15:30 | jhaig | I think I'm just going to have to learn it properly. :-) |
| # | 16:15:48 | gmcharlt | depending on your needs, there are other open source options that might be more suitable for managing a personal collection or one one with a small active patron population |
| # | 16:16:10 | dbs | Heh. It all seems deceptively simple on the surface - then five years later you're realizing that your system doesn't index the 247 field as a title entry. ZOMG! :) |
| # | 16:16:52 | atz | also commercial software like delicious monster that more about ease of use for the individual |
| # | 16:17:00 | atz | *that is more about...* |
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| # | 16:18:33 | phasefx wants to make EG easier for personal libraries. it's a side project (I keep getting more and more books:) |
| # | 16:19:12 | gmcharlt | dog_fooding++ |
| # | 16:19:32 | phasefx | gmcharlt: have you seen the "self-check" in my office? :) |
| # | 16:19:52 | gmcharlt | heh |
| # | 16:20:02 | gmcharlt | actually, I don't think I have |
| # | 16:20:12 | phasefx | (it's a clipboard) |
| # | 16:20:17 | dbs | Until dbwells cuts the gordian knot between call numbers and bib records, I don't know how to catalogue the various ebooks on my phone. |
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| # | 23:34:58 | jeff | dbs++ # fixing internal dummy warnings |
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