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| # | 09:15:04 | lisppaste3 | asimon pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97721 |
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| # | 09:17:06 | asimon | I hope someone can help with my bre-to-ingest problem, which is summarized at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97721. Thanks (especially to mrpeters-isl, who provided ideas yesterday). |
| # | 09:18:41 | dbs | asimon: can you annotate that post with your direct_ingest command? |
| # | 09:20:10 | lisppaste3 | asimon annotated #97721 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97721#1 |
| # | 09:25:36 | mrpeters-isl | asimon: i think you want 903$a not 901$a |
| # | 09:26:16 | mrpeters-isl | let me grab the project gutenburg records and try |
| # | 09:27:20 | dbs | asimon: direct_ingest.pl reads from STDIN I think |
| # | 09:27:33 | dbs | so: direct_ingest.pl < foo.bre |
| # | 09:27:42 | dbs | not: direct_ingest.pl foo.bre |
| # | 09:28:16 | mrpeters-isl | dbs ++ |
| # | 09:28:22 | mrpeters-isl | i didnt catch that |
| # | 09:32:12 | asimon | dbs: It makes no difference whether I use ' ' or '<'; I get the same errors. |
| # | 09:34:35 | mrpeters-isl | asimon: can i see one of the entries of your .bre |
| # | 09:36:45 | lisppaste3 | asimon annotated #97721 "Untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97721#2 |
| # | 09:41:46 | mrpeters-isl | asimon: ok, this little shell script worked on the gutenburg records without error |
| # | 09:41:47 | dbs | asimon: sorry, red herring on the STDIN stuff |
| # | 09:41:49 | mrpeters-isl | let me paste for you |
| # | 09:42:31 | lisppaste3 | mrpeters-isl annotated #97721 "CONV.gb" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97721#3 |
| # | 09:42:41 | mrpeters-isl | make sure to adjust the locations of your scripts, etc. |
| # | 09:42:49 | mrpeters-isl | but i just ran through it without error |
| # | 09:43:32 | mrpeters-isl | and of course uncomment the paralell_pg_loader.pl stuff once you're ready to do all of that |
| # | 09:54:07 | mrpeters-isl | asimon: any luck? |
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| # | 10:14:56 | asimon | mrpeters-isl: Sorry, I've been on the phone with one of my network providers. I'll take a look at your script as soon as I finish. |
| # | 10:15:33 | mrpeters-isl | no worries! |
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| # | 10:48:34 | moodaepo | phasefx: quick question about circ.staff_client.do_not_auto_attempt_print, this seems to be only in trunk correct? > http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-commits/2009-September/007186.html |
| # | 10:50:40 | phasefx | just trunk, yes, I believe so |
| # | 10:56:45 | moodaepo | Thanks! Just wondering...what's the history behind it and when might it move into a version (there has been interest in selecting which print notices get printed). |
| # | 11:04:09 | phasefx | changeset 14078 is related, and it did get backported to rel_1_6 as changeset 15316 |
| # | 11:06:22 | phasefx | the impetus here is King County circ requirements. I think the reason I didn't bother porting the no-print stuff to 1.6 is due to the different infrastructure for managing org unit settings |
| # | 11:07:08 | phasefx | so if we don't backport, then it'll show up when trunk gets branched into something major beyond 1.6 |
| # | 11:07:48 | dbs mumbles |
| # | 11:08:03 | phasefx <= vague :) |
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| # | 11:13:50 | mrpeters-isl | hey guys...actor.usr.claims_returned_count - is that reset to "0" when the reset button is pressed in the patron registration? |
| # | 11:15:02 | phasefx | moodaepo: looks like these specs can be found in public form here: http://www.rscel.org/taxonomy/term/114, the one for Circulation Module, page 43, Req ID: 5165. These things get fleshed out more as they're worked on, but you might find it a fun read :) |
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| # | 11:16:37 | miker_ | mrpeters-isl: yes |
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| # | 11:28:32 | atz | has anybody done LDAP integration w/ EG? |
| # | 11:30:11 | jeff | atz: check the open-ils-dev archives for "LDAP Authentication Ideas", around Dec 2009 |
| # | 11:33:12 | atz | hah... looks like i commented several times in that same thread |
| # | 11:33:20 | atz | memory is the first thing to go... |
| # | 11:33:22 | jeff | i thought you had been a participant. :) |
| # | 11:33:22 | atz | http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-dev/2009-December/thread.html#5469 |
| # | 11:35:40 | phasefx | random aside, add -no-remote to your xulrunner invocation if you want to open multiple staff clients simultaneously, but they'll need to use different profiles, so -profilemanager is recommended as well |
| # | 11:39:35 | dbs | I would love to see real LDAP integration (where authentication happens against the LDAP server, not requiring import of passwords etc into EG), but I'm not going to be doing any coding in that area |
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| # | 11:40:06 | atz | yeah, i don't really want to code that stuff (again)... |
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| # | 11:44:46 | atz | I do think that the ability to acquire user info from the ldap remote is an essential feature though |
| # | 11:45:27 | atz | (but that gets into schema-to-EG mapping and other complexities) |
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| # | 11:45:53 | jeff | complex, but not un-doable. |
| # | 11:46:11 | jeff | er, making it un-doable might be un-doable... ;-) |
| # | 11:47:18 | atz | yeah, i did it for koha: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm;h=994f8461a27b30c51dce7e8169031705ed60ae41;hb=HEAD#l364 |
| # | 11:47:19 | dbs | right, that makes sense, otherwise you couldn't do much with bookbags or notices or whatever |
| # | 11:47:36 | moodaepo | phasefx++ # had to leave for a meeting right after asking you the question |
| # | 11:47:39 | moodaepo | moodaepo-- |
| # | 11:48:04 | dbs | atz: oh, it's always more fun the second time around! c'mon... do it! do it! |
| # | 11:48:15 | atz | you have to worry about updating vs. importing vs. overwriting |
| # | 11:49:06 | jeff | patron record in evergreen then becomes "read-only, pulled from LDAP" vs "maintained in evergreen", you need to maintain an identifier between the two (which might not be barcode), etc. |
| # | 11:49:08 | asimon | mrpeters-isl: I ran your script after making the necessary changes. Everything worked great until pg_ingest, when I got the same errors as with my script. B-( |
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| # | 11:49:49 | jeff | and no matter what, you'll end up with a well-designed solution capable of handling every possible LDAP scenario save for the one that comes up next. |
| # | 11:49:54 | atz | jeff: well, not really read only... just frequently-overwritten-as-defined-by-mapping |
| # | 11:50:31 | jeff | atz: sure, it's "if you change this here don't expect it to stay changed" |
| # | 11:50:36 | atz | right |
| # | 11:50:50 | atz | which is great for support ppl to deal w/ :\ |
| # | 11:51:13 | jeff | which is why you add the UI bits to make those "frequently overwritten" parts actually be read-only. ;-) |
| # | 11:51:46 | atz | yeah, that would be good... but then it blocks when you have local users that aren't in LDAP (and are only maintained locally) |
| # | 11:52:04 | jeff | (with appropriate 'the following information can only be updated by the student in SuperSoft PeopleCampus InfoPortal 2.0' as needed) |
| # | 11:52:57 | atz grin |
| # | 11:53:24 | dbs | because of course you always have users that aren't in LDAP. good point atz. solutions would be so simple if reality weren't so damned complex! |
| # | 11:54:24 | atz | users are always like "this system is great, but it needs to let me completely work around it" |
| # | 11:54:53 | atz | which is fine for editing data or something, but bad for auth |
| # | 11:55:10 | asimon | mrpeters-isl: That tells me that there has been some change external to the loading scripts that is causing this problem, and that if that problem is identified and corrected, my script will work properly. |
| # | 11:55:14 | dbs | speaking of which... at the risk of adding yet-another-OU-setting, I'm probably going to add a local OU setting for email regexes (let people change their email addresses, as long as it's one of our institutional addresses so we can guarantee delivery) |
| # | 11:55:59 | dbs | would there be interest in that being added to core? academic/special libraries would probably be more interested than publics |
| # | 11:56:02 | jeff | add more OU settings! |
| # | 11:56:03 | atz | that seems reasonably discreet and extensible |
| # | 11:56:33 | dbs | We're going to need categories of OU settings to make them manageable, at some point |
| # | 11:56:35 | phasefx | let's give these settings more meta-data so we can group/categorize them |
| # | 11:56:41 | phasefx | har |
| # | 11:56:42 | dbs | phasefx: jinx |
| # | 11:57:41 | jeff | we're not quite in danger of becoming about:config. when there are too many ou settings, an interface will be written. ;-) |
| # | 11:58:20 | atz | yeah, i would suggest a mapping that allows the same setting to appear in multiple groups where it makes sense |
| # | 11:58:37 | phasefx tried writing a Find in Page function last night; partly a success, but the Library Settings interface in particular has magic dojo-ness that won't render settings offscreen, so they're not searchable |
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| # | 12:21:13 | mrpeters-isl | asimon: dang. i think im out of ideas :( |
| # | 12:21:34 | mrpeters-isl | we're still on 1.6.0.0 if thats at all relevant |
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| # | 13:02:36 | asimon | mrpeters-isl: Is there an easy way to go back to 1.6.0.1? |
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| # | 14:06:27 | dbwells | atz: we are currently using LDAP authentication more or less as discussed in the December thread. |
| # | 14:07:21 | dbwells | The biggest drawback is the loss of the dynamic login box in the OPAC (that is, the login box that magically appears without refreshing the page). |
| # | 14:08:07 | dbwells | for now we simply hid that option, so you can only login through 'My Account', but we intend to revisit that at some point. |
| # | 14:08:12 | emrikol | phasefx: I had quite a bit of good luck with that "xchrome" experiment I was working on. |
| # | 14:09:11 | phasefx | on a phone call at the moment, but am interested in hearing about it |
| # | 14:09:38 | dbwells | We are also doing a nightly sync of users in our LDAP store into EG. That code hasn't been shared anywhere, but I certainly could if would help anyone. It is one of the first things I did, so it is all direct to DB, no EG apis in use. Again, something to revisit, someday :) |
| # | 14:20:01 | moodaepo | dbwells: It would be good to share it somewhere say for people who see the December thread (maybe reply to that thread if you still have the mail?). I don't see us needing it anywhere 'yet' but people do bring up the point that Koha has it and Evergreen doesn't.at.all. |
| # | 14:20:59 | dbs | dbwells: I think, in general, if you have the ability to share code, it would be appreciated; better to share than not to share |
| # | 14:21:31 | dbs | dbwells: if you want an ILS-Contrib account, lemme know; or post a bzr or hg or git branch somewhere |
| # | 14:21:39 | moodaepo | Also even if it's direct to db the fields don't really change much so it's not a totally bad way of synching the information. Or so I naively think : ) |
| # | 14:21:39 | dbs is eager to encourage sharing |
| # | 14:21:46 | moodaepo | dbs++ |
| # | 14:21:54 | moodaepo | dbwells++ |
| # | 14:22:04 | moodaepo | sharing++++ |
| # | 14:22:17 | moodaepo goes off to the monthly staff meeting |
| # | 14:26:23 | dbwells | dbs: I'll take you up on an ILS-Contrib account if it isn't too much trouble. I don't have a whole lot to go in there. |
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| # | 14:32:50 | dbs | dbwells: is "calvin-college" an okay directory name? |
| # | 14:33:13 | dbs | (to fit into http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/browser ) |
| # | 14:34:19 | dbwells | dbs: sounds fine. Or maybe 'hekman'? (fewer keystrokes) :) |
| # | 14:34:25 | dbs | sure |
| # | 14:35:46 | gmcharlt | heck, man - you sound like you don't like RSI! ;) |
| # | 14:37:35 | dbs | dbwells: your username and password are in the (e)mail |
| # | 14:38:07 | dbwells | dbs: got it, thanks! |
| # | 14:42:44 | dbwells | gmcharlt: ;) I sometimes wonder if my old Model M causes me grief in that regard, but I just can't give it up! |
| # | 14:43:13 | gmcharlt | Model M: the keyboard designed to *prove* to your boss that you're hard at work! |
| # | 14:44:14 | emrikol | *clickity* *clickity* *clickity* *clickity* *clack* *clickity* *clickity* *clickity* |
| # | 14:45:09 | emrikol | I've got a lovely black M in my garage that has one of the little eraser nub mouse pointers on it. |
| # | 14:45:18 | emrikol | Still in the freaking box |
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| # | 15:46:08 | mrpeters-isl | all, what funky format is offline."session".create_time in? |
| # | 15:47:23 | dbs | huh, interesting: \d offline.session.create_time says INT |
| # | 15:47:32 | dbs | I would not have guessed that :) |
| # | 15:48:00 | mrpeters-isl | well yeah, but id expect it to be a timestamp, no? |
| # | 15:48:15 | dbs | so... seconds since the epoch maybe? |
| # | 15:48:17 | gmcharlt | some kind of julian datestamp? |
| # | 15:48:49 | mrpeters-isl | my goal is to purge any before a given date...but i don't know if thats possible with the times there |
| # | 15:48:59 | jeff | mrpeters-isl: give a few example values? |
| # | 15:49:07 | jeff | probably epoch |
| # | 15:49:46 | mrpeters-isl | yeah, no prob 1 sec |
| # | 15:49:55 | jeff | offlines do handle "delta from server" a bit, so maybe it was just easier that way, or... |
| # | 15:49:59 | jeff shrugs :) |
| # | 15:50:16 | dbs | http://www.esqsoft.com/javascript_examples/date-to-epoch.htm |
| # | 15:50:39 | dbs | yep, looks like seconds since the epoch (1242833370 was our first example) |
| # | 15:50:49 | mrpeters-isl | http://paste.lisp.org/display/97739 |
| # | 15:50:58 | mrpeters-isl | yeah that looks right dbs |
| # | 15:50:58 | mrpeters-isl | thanks |
| # | 15:51:01 | jeff | yeah, epoch. |
| # | 15:51:52 | jeff | for the last line with description "network outage 2009-04-14": |
| # | 15:51:56 | jeff | $ perl -e 'print scalar localtime(1239746911), "\n";' |
| # | 15:52:00 | jeff | Tue Apr 14 18:08:31 2009 |
| # | 15:52:18 | mrpeters-isl | though, can one do something like now minus 30 days on a time in this format? |
| # | 15:52:34 | Dyrcona | yes. |
| # | 15:52:49 | Dyrcona | there are 86400 seconds in a day. |
| # | 15:53:05 | Dyrcona | time() - 30 * 86400 |
| # | 15:53:34 | mrpeters-isl | ok. thanks. i haven't had a chance to read through alll of what exactly epoch is |
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| # | 15:59:37 | jeff | mrpeters-isl: this should help guide you -- i make no assertions about removing entries from offline.session being either safe or unsafe: |
| # | 15:59:40 | jeff | select * from offline.session where age('epoch'::timestamptz + create_time * interval '1 second') > '3 months'; |
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| # | 15:59:51 | jeff | that will list all those with create_time older than 3 months. |
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| # | 16:03:48 | dbs thankfully has very little experience with offline sessions |
| # | 16:04:22 | mrpeters-isl | its mostly bookmobiles for us |
| # | 16:32:14 | emrikol | Oh, that reminds me! |
| # | 16:35:28 | emrikol | mrpeters-isl: What are the chances that we would ever be able to use mod_deflate to help speed things up? Would that help? One of our branches has a 384K connection and it is a pain to do pretty much anything, and it might be a while before we can upgrade. |
| # | 16:36:42 | emrikol | (One suggestion we had was using the offline client like the bookmobiles, but then we lose so much functionality) |
| # | 16:41:23 | dbs | We have: AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/css application/javascript |
| # | 16:41:53 | dbs | text/html text/xml led to trouble IIRC - distant past |
| # | 16:42:50 | emrikol | Ahh, I see then |
| # | 16:43:33 | emrikol | Well, hopefully the future will be kind to us |
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| # | 16:46:33 | dbs tries to remember - might have been the supercat / unapi stuff that broke? Or perhaps DEFLATE vs XMLENT -- that rings a bell |
| # | 16:46:52 | miker_ | DEFLATE vs XMLENT was the problem, IIRC |
| # | 16:46:53 | dbs | XMLENT has a heck of a time trying to parse a gzipped document :) |
| # | 16:47:42 | emrikol | Well, time to leave for the day. I'll read back tomorrow about this, if anything comes of it. Thanks again! |
| # | 16:48:01 | dbs | i thought the order of the handlers was configurable - probably one of those "haven't worked it out in 15 minutes, I'll try again some other day" |
| # | 16:48:05 | dbs | 1 year later... |
| # | 16:48:09 | dbs | s/handlers/filters/ |
| # | 16:51:41 | dbs | SetOutputFilter INCLUDES;XMLENT;DEFLATE would handle it, you would think. |
| # | 16:51:43 | dbs thinks |
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| # | 17:03:38 | berick thought we got rid of deflate becuase of IE freakiness and ultimately realizing it wasn't speeding anything up |
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| # | 17:04:45 | jeff | deflate can suck if you're not setting proper Vary: headers, though I think apache handles that well. |
| # | 17:05:31 | jeff | if you're mixing http 1.0 and 1.1 clients behind a proxy, the lack of Vary: content-encoding header causes the proxy to return the gzipped content to a client that doesn't expect it, and things break. |
| # | 17:05:51 | jeff | that's often a "it breaks in IE today" and "breaks in not-IE tomorrow" |
| # | 17:05:56 | jeff | (symptom-wise) |
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