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I just didn't want it to get lost and forgotten about ;) 2008-05-09T11:02:11 dbs: just don't sic dmcmorris_esi on me :) 2008-05-09T11:04:02 hey phasefx_ - are you using the latest winders xulrunner versions with trunk by any chance? 2008-05-09T11:04:20 phasefx_: answer within 4 seconds or I will sic myself on you 2008-05-09T11:04:24 eek 2008-05-09T11:04:41 I'm curious as to whether the security exceptions I'm studiously ignoring fixing are purely a hardy thing or whether it's really a recent xulrunner thing 2008-05-09T11:04:55 I haven't touched trunk on windows for a few weeks now.. was using the latest "community" 1.8 I think 2008-05-09T11:05:46 I can spend some time now and try to help; just transitioned off of one thing and haven't started another yet 2008-05-09T11:05:50 ok 2008-05-09T11:06:11 * phasefx_ fires up a vm 2008-05-09T11:07:08 looks like http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/releases/1.8.1.3/contrib/win32/ is the latest windows release (march 2008) 2008-05-09T11:08:50 k, that's what I packed the latest 1.2.2 win build with 2008-05-09T11:09:04 hrmm 2008-05-09T11:09:19 march 2007 is the filestamp on what I grabbed 2008-05-09T11:12:24 nevermind 2008-05-09T11:13:00 there's a 1.8.1.3-20080128 build but unclear how it differs from 1.8.1.3 from mar 2007 2008-05-09T11:14:30 I think I hate ubuntu a bit for packaging a release that doesn't exist in official mozilla xul 2008-05-09T11:14:59 ubuntu, debian, i'll spread the hate around 2008-05-09T11:15:20 there are some "advanced patches" in that 20080128 build 2008-05-09T11:15:59 looks like stuff for java, stuff for macs, cairo 2008-05-09T11:20:37 dbs: where are you seeing the security exceptions? 2008-05-09T11:36:40 hrmm, my kubuntu is using gutsy, and the xulrunner deb is 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5. No obvious errors. biab 2008-05-09T11:58:00 phasefx_: it's in hardy, triggered once you open up an item from the menu 2008-05-09T11:58:27 xulrunner --version Mozilla XULRunner 1.8.1.13_0000000000 2008-05-09T11:58:44 (sorry, had to go set up a printer for one of the staff ) 2008-05-09T11:59:24 so the problem seems to be associated with fetching a remote resource - my guess being messagecatalog 2008-05-09T12:12:05 grr, no gutsy-backports for xulrunner 1.8 2008-05-09T12:22:49 *** edc_mtg is now known as ecorrado 2008-05-09T12:37:55 *** ecorrado is now known as edc_fooding 2008-05-09T12:48:48 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T12:54:04 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-05-09T12:55:30 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2008-05-09T13:01:07 *** ibbo has quit IRC 2008-05-09T13:24:15 *** JMCraig has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T13:24:17 *** JMCraig is now known as agJohn 2008-05-09T13:33:51 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-05-09T14:53:01 shiza, double shiza 2008-05-09T14:53:55 the reason we're missing 856 for our online periodicals is because they have to be pulled from the separate serial control record. augh. 2008-05-09T14:58:36 dbs: is this the deb hardy is giving you for xulrunner? 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 2008-05-09T14:59:31 I'm tempted to move to all local xul before moving past 1.8, but I'm going to poke at it 2008-05-09T14:59:46 no - 1.8.1.14, it's a debian or ubuntu aberration 2008-05-09T15:00:31 that's why I was groaning about unofficial mozilla xul 2008-05-09T15:00:51 :-/ 2008-05-09T15:00:51 http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xulrunner 2008-05-09T15:00:56 err - 1.8.1.13 2008-05-09T15:01:19 I see, they have a xulrunner and a xulrunner-1.9 2008-05-09T15:02:57 lot of prereqs there.. don't think I want to plop that into my gutsy install. virtualization++ 2008-05-09T15:04:51 yeah - might be good to just fire up a hardy vm image 2008-05-09T15:21:57 dbs: You! 2008-05-09T15:22:05 ME! 2008-05-09T15:22:18 phasefx_: I keep crashing xulrunner-1.9 =\ 2008-05-09T15:22:30 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/228181 2008-05-09T15:24:09 yeah, I haven't had the urge/time to chase/follow 1.9 development :-/ 2008-05-09T15:36:40 :S 2008-05-09T15:36:55 well, when you move to 8.04 they force 3b5 on you 2008-05-09T15:55:47 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-05-09T15:55:53 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T15:57:13 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-05-09T15:57:28 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-05-09T15:57:46 asmodai: yeah, I'm installing 8.04 now 2008-05-09T15:58:15 oh noes! 2008-05-09T15:58:28 in a virtualbox 2008-05-09T15:59:26 asmodai: if you're feeling saucy, you could try turning the client back into a firefox extension :) 2008-05-09T15:59:50 man, ubuntu sure is artsy 2008-05-09T16:00:12 the client? 2008-05-09T16:00:16 evergreen? 2008-05-09T16:00:33 asmodai: yeah, the evergreen staff client 2008-05-09T16:01:11 asmodai: the prototype used to be a mozilla plugin / firefox extension, before I moved to xulrunner 2008-05-09T16:02:14 Never programmed XUL before. 2008-05-09T16:02:15 unfortunately, the -app parameter doesn't appear to be enabled on ff3b5 in ubuntu, even though it apparently is in windwos 2008-05-09T16:02:16 and that was done because of the end-user bias then against "web apps", and for stability of the runtime (a plugin can't prevent a user from upgrading firefox, for example) 2008-05-09T16:07:05 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T16:11:09 sylvar! you live! 2008-05-09T16:11:28 RUN, COWARD. I LIVE. 2008-05-09T16:11:32 RUN! RUN! RUN! 2008-05-09T16:11:40 how's your utah stuff going? 2008-05-09T16:11:40 2008-05-09T16:11:44 not too bad! 2008-05-09T16:11:46 brb 2008-05-09T16:13:19 back 2008-05-09T16:14:35 I always parse that as Sylar 2008-05-09T16:15:03 jeepers - LU has 780K bibs, with a size of about 550M for the MARC file; I'm starting to load McMaster's data, and they have 1.9G of MARC 2008-05-09T16:15:44 what's the biggest Evergreen install right now? PINES, with ~2.0M items? I think we're going to destroy that soon (albeit in test mode) 2008-05-09T16:17:04 asmodai: yeah, I've been using Sylvar since the late 1980s, and I haven't figured out if I inadvertently copied it from a Star Wars comic of that era. 2008-05-09T16:17:21 oh wow 2008-05-09T16:17:21 * dbs pines a bit for heroes 2008-05-09T16:18:40 dbs: I think PINES has a little over 2 million titles, not items 2008-05-09T16:19:13 When's that restarting? 2008-05-09T16:19:14 phasefx_: right, right - mixed that up. we're still going to blow past that. 2008-05-09T16:19:19 And, is MARC close to dying yet? 2008-05-09T16:19:31 dbs: coolness 2008-05-09T16:20:03 although there's going to be lots of title merging to do - do you have algorithms for that? 2008-05-09T16:23:30 dbs: yeah, a fairly strict one that you could loosen up 2008-05-09T16:27:18 if you're going to score your records for determining a lead record for merges.. I'd have to dig for an example algorithm there where we used to do that... lately we've just been arbitrarily saying incumbent records are the lead records 2008-05-09T16:42:18 phasefx_: yeah, that won't work for us - well, unless we migrate desmarais first, then all of our partners - hmm, maybe that would work 2008-05-09T16:43:56 dbs: why is desmarais special in that sense? 2008-05-09T16:44:21 well, I'm not thinking about windsor and mcmaster here - they'll obviously have quality records 2008-05-09T16:45:14 but laurentian has about a dozen consortial partners, ranging from small folklore libraries to special mining libraries to hospitals - all with varying degrees of quality (but likely not up to our level) 2008-05-09T16:47:09 so you'll start with the high-quality records, and then merge less-reliable records into them. gotcha. 2008-05-09T16:49:00 question: since I've never done much eg cataloging, can someone tell me if scope notes are generally well-supported? can they be displayed in the PAC? 2008-05-09T16:49:09 OK, that would be "questions". 2008-05-09T16:54:41 I'm sure they can be - not sure if they are by default though. More info on what scope notes are might help (like field/subfield info or whatever) 2008-05-09T16:54:46 But I have to run 2008-05-09T16:57:32 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-05-09T16:58:14 *** Karen__ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-05-09T17:57:40 *** gmcharlt_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-05-09T17:58:12 *** gmcharlt__ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-05-09T18:10:20 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-05-09T18:15:15 *** gmcharlt_ has quit IRC 2008-05-09T18:36:11 *** sylvar has quit IRC 2008-05-09T18:55:06 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-05-09T19:09:49 * berick had the unique pleasure of using a pay phone today 2008-05-09T19:13:58 did somebody change fm_idl last night? 2008-05-09T19:14:23 not after 11pm, no 2008-05-09T19:17:17 hmmm.. because my fund stuff stopped working around 11 last night. 2008-05-09T19:17:37 I've reverted my source and it's still not working 2008-05-09T19:20:24 ok, it's not that. it's me 2008-05-09T19:23:50 *** gmcharlt__ is now known as gmcharlt 2008-05-09T20:02:28 berick: the first time I view a picklist it works fine, but when I try to reload the picklist, I get the "no workstation found" error 2008-05-09T20:05:46 ah. my controller is too complicated ;-) 2008-05-09T20:07:08 nope. the same thing happens when I try to reload the fund list 2008-05-09T20:12:55 djfiander: hrm 2008-05-09T20:13:16 djfiander: when you get the error, does it take a long time? 2008-05-09T20:13:41 not really 2008-05-09T20:13:45 ok 2008-05-09T20:14:09 you mean like >15 secs? long or >1 min long? 2008-05-09T20:14:24 either, really 2008-05-09T20:14:38 nope, shorter than it takes to load the grid when it works ;-) 2008-05-09T20:15:04 gotcha.. 2008-05-09T20:15:42 lemme see if the logs have anything for me 2008-05-09T20:23:30 djfiander: so, i'm having different issues with the python commication on the acq box as well. i'm not sure if it's a Lenny thing or what... anyway, i'm generally trying to move away from python->opensrf commication because most of it's redundant. 2008-05-09T20:23:49 in my current iteration test code, I have the user/workstaion retrieval code commented out and working with good success 2008-05-09T20:24:01 it would break any code that relies on the python to retrieve objects, though 2008-05-09T20:24:36 i guess i'm wondering if we sould bite the bullet and disable python communication in general, since that's where it's going 2008-05-09T20:24:50 and that should solve your issue and my issues as well 2008-05-09T20:25:17 my fund/funding-source/provider/search code no longer relies on python at all, but i don't know how much you are still using it 2008-05-09T20:25:56 s/relies on python/relies on python for retrieving and updating ILS objects/ 2008-05-09T20:26:08 my python's still calling a bunch, but most of that is actually thrown away. I do have to clean up the picklist header to be generated in js 2008-05-09T20:26:48 what's really pissing me off right now is that acqlid fund details don't seem to be working right right now and I don't know why 2008-05-09T20:26:55 so, I'll switch gears and come back. 2008-05-09T20:28:22 what are your thoughts on cutting the cord on python and moving to pure JS? 2008-05-09T20:28:40 I like python more that JS ;) 2008-05-09T20:28:52 but splitting the processing up doesn't make much sense 2008-05-09T20:29:02 honestly, i do too ;) 2008-05-09T20:29:14 but, yeah, the mix is not serving us well 2008-05-09T20:30:38 djfiander: jfyi, CGI handling code in the JS: http://ln-s.net/1rBq 2008-05-09T20:30:40 *** bradl has quit IRC 2008-05-09T20:30:41 *** phasefx_ has quit IRC 2008-05-09T20:30:53 easy to use: new CGI().param('myparam') 2008-05-09T20:35:13 djfiander: if you want to see what turning off Python feels like, just comment out line 36 and 37 in oilsweb/lib/__init__.py and put a 'return' in as the first statement to childInit in ilsweb/lib/util.py 2008-05-09T20:35:38 that just tells it not to connect and not to grab the user/workstation 2008-05-09T20:35:50 s/connect/connect to opensrf/ 2008-05-09T20:36:30 well, my view picklist code fetches the picklist in py and passes it all through pylons to build the page, so I can't just do that without some work first. 2008-05-09T20:36:51 ok.. I'll leave the repos as-is for now 2008-05-09T20:37:34 hm, well, I assume you are re-fetching it (in JS) to do the actual grid rendering? 2008-05-09T20:38:38 yup 2008-05-09T20:39:14 but if you look at the picklist view, there's a header that names the picklist and gives the owner and stuff, which is all separate from the grid. Gotta rebuild that. 2008-05-09T20:39:23 ahh.. ok 2008-05-09T20:39:29 i remember that now 2008-05-09T20:41:33 ok, gonna turn a picklist into a real dojo object. just to make it more challenging 2008-05-09T20:46:55 djfiander: one more slightly disruptive change i'd like to propose.. the base.html file imports a big pile of dojo classes, which are not used everywhere. cool if I remove those and just let page authors import the appropriate dojo classes for their page? 2008-05-09T20:47:05 sure 2008-05-09T20:47:18 thx.. updating 2008-05-09T20:47:27 so, that list of things you wanted done before acqfest started... you were stoned, right? 2008-05-09T20:47:35 hahaa 2008-05-09T20:47:49 operative word being 'wanted', i guess 2008-05-09T20:47:57 i have no illusions 2008-05-09T20:51:39 when I fetch a picklist it all comes back in one msg, right? 2008-05-09T20:53:20 yes 2008-05-09T20:55:14 *** phasefx_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T20:55:15 *** bradl has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T20:55:25 happy birthday bradl 2008-05-09T20:59:18 yeah, jeez ... I found out when I was offered cake at the office 2008-05-09T20:59:26 well after brad had left for the day 2008-05-09T20:59:27 so 2008-05-09T20:59:38 happy birthday, ya geezer 2008-05-09T20:59:41 :) 2008-05-09T20:59:44 same here :( 2008-05-09T20:59:51 facebook is actually good for something ;-) 2008-05-09T20:59:56 ha! 2008-05-09T21:17:49 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-05-09T21:29:31 djfiander: ok, i comitted the update to remove the mass import from base.html. it's possible you'll see issues.. likely culprits are fieldmapper.OrgUtils, fieldmapper.dojoData, or a dojo widget 2008-05-09T21:29:52 that's fine. I'm totally hosed right now anyway 2008-05-09T21:29:58 but finding any probs should be straightforward 2008-05-09T21:30:02 hh 2008-05-09T21:30:03 heh 2008-05-09T21:31:26 * berick steps away 2008-05-09T21:32:09 berick: you up for some writing in the next six weeks? 2008-05-09T21:32:16 bradl: yeah, happy birthday :) 2008-05-09T21:35:21 dbs: sorry, meant to respond earlier.. count me in 2008-05-09T21:35:37 * dbs hugs berick 2008-05-09T21:35:57 bradl is an even _older_ man? oh dear. 2008-05-09T21:36:12 well, for a suitable definition of "older" 2008-05-09T21:36:15 happy birthday, dear bradl... happy birthday to you (C) 2008-05-09T21:36:31 we're averaging about 2.5 ESI years per human year ;) 2008-05-09T21:36:59 in they greyness/baldness ratio, that is 2008-05-09T21:37:21 alright, burrito time 2008-05-09T21:37:34 enjoy! 2008-05-09T21:37:53 good parts of virtual teams: berick's burrito is in a different country 2008-05-09T21:38:44 phasefx_: ever see the marc editor fail to add a new record due to DATABASE_QUERY_FAILED event? 2008-05-09T21:39:16 ok, I've now got a picklist object. the constructor sets some stuff up, and then makes a network call to async. fill in the rest of the data. so the object that the constructor returns is unfinished. 2008-05-09T21:39:27 much like a shady contractor ;-) 2008-05-09T21:39:47 1.2.2.0 windows staff client, connecting to 1.2.2.0 (upgraded from 1.2.1.4), doesn't seem happy 2008-05-09T21:40:38 dbs pasted "1.2.2.0 unhappy at add record time" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533 2008-05-09T21:40:51 here goes nothing ... 2008-05-09T21:40:59 * dbs crosses fingers for djfiander 2008-05-09T21:41:10 and that's exactly what happened. 2008-05-09T21:41:36 deleted too much from the python 2008-05-09T21:43:20 ok, firebug is officially useless. 2008-05-09T21:43:29 everything "worked". and I have a blank screen. 2008-05-09T21:46:28 dbs: not in a long time 2008-05-09T21:46:56 heh. I'm special 2008-05-09T21:48:49 dbs annotated #60533 with "open-ils.cat log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533#1 2008-05-09T21:48:55 I wouldn't blame the marc editor 2008-05-09T21:49:44 no, definitely not 2008-05-09T21:51:02 dbs annotated #60533 with "osrfsys.log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533#2 2008-05-09T21:53:18 dbs annotated #60533 with "relevant section of /openils/lib/perl5/OpenILS/Application/Cat.pm" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533#3 2008-05-09T21:56:41 ah well. I plan to try building 1.2.2.0 from scratch and running an import just to test it out. 2008-05-09T21:57:21 i'm hoping that i'll be able to get slazer to move on to a nice unit test framework in the latter chunk of the summer 2008-05-09T21:57:26 dbs: can you get the error from the PG logs? 2008-05-09T21:58:55 oh, well that makes it all too easy 2008-05-09T21:59:19 dbs annotated #60533 with "relevant postgresql log entry" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533#4 2008-05-09T22:01:48 heh 2008-05-09T22:04:13 so ... select setval('biblio.record_entry',max(id), true) from biblio.record_entry; 2008-05-09T22:04:29 so ... select setval('biblio.record_entry_id_seq',max(id), true) from biblio.record_entry; 2008-05-09T22:04:33 rather 2008-05-09T22:04:43 yeah, nextval was returning 13 - heh 2008-05-09T22:04:51 miker_++ 2008-05-09T22:04:57 ha! ... that's strange 2008-05-09T22:05:12 it really is 2008-05-09T22:05:24 given that max(id) was something like 528000 2008-05-09T22:05:34 hrm... did I not teach parallel_pg_loader about that?... 2008-05-09T22:06:44 not in the version I ran, apparently :) 2008-05-09T22:07:59 odd... 2008-05-09T22:08:00 I can add that to parallel_pg_loader; it's not in trunk 2008-05-09T22:08:22 well, that's assuming that the old pg_loader did that 2008-05-09T22:09:22 holy crap. my completely rebuild picklist code just worked. 2008-05-09T22:09:25 and, we only need that for tables with no -a param, and we need to use the Identity() class method to get the right column ... and that assumes that it's a sequence based column ... and etc etc etc 2008-05-09T22:09:32 djfiander++ 2008-05-09T22:09:49 holy crap. it's not supposed to work so fast. 2008-05-09T22:10:19 haha 2008-05-09T22:10:23 well, the header with the picklist metadata isn't being built, but the grid is there, and I completely turned that code inside out. 2008-05-09T22:11:14 miker_: fair enough. I can "fix" it in the bib import demo by making it a step in the README 2008-05-09T22:11:34 dbs: sounds good to me 2008-05-09T22:11:41 for now, anyway 2008-05-09T22:11:53 I keep forgetting that you use ppgloader and friends for stuff other than bibs 2008-05-09T22:12:31 my other goal is to figure out where the $&#@ my 856 fields went 2008-05-09T22:13:14 arg! 2008-05-09T22:13:17 i'm thinking either yaz-marcdump or MARC::Record::XML tossed them out the window, possibly because they followed 949 2008-05-09T22:13:35 djfiander: congrats! 2008-05-09T22:13:47 you are absorbing / being absorbed by javascript 2008-05-09T22:14:21 noooooooo!!!!!!!!!! 2008-05-09T22:18:57 how do I do I18N in javascript? 2008-05-09T22:21:48 hahaha 2008-05-09T22:21:55 you're using dojo/ 2008-05-09T22:22:13 bah, forgive me, shift key isn't working 2008-05-09T22:22:29 yeah, so I go look at the dojo stuff. 2008-05-09T22:22:40 * djfiander hard codes english 2008-05-09T22:22:43 look at miker's stuff 2008-05-09T22:23:22 or hard code english for now, and we'll fix it up later 2008-05-09T22:23:47 just don't build up sentences from fragments or build logic based on it, kthx 2008-05-09T22:24:06 we already had that conversation, remember. 2008-05-09T22:24:22 these are just field labels. 2008-05-09T22:24:30 I'll fix it later. 2008-05-09T22:27:02 yes, sorry, i would have thrown in a smiley but no shift key. or ctrl key. or alt. ugh. 2008-05-09T22:27:41 don't piss me off. I'll tell you the story about adding multibyte support to dd(1) again. 2008-05-09T22:27:44 ;-) 2008-05-09T22:28:56 haha 2008-05-09T22:31:20 dbs annotated #60533 with "and the answer, thanks be to miker" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/60533#5 2008-05-09T22:58:28 progress has been made. but it's bedtime. 2008-05-09T22:58:31 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2008-05-09T23:45:51 *** dbs has quit IRC