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2008-04-15T01:59:38  <jeff> oh hell. somehow the user in question was disabled.
2008-04-15T02:07:01  <jeff> no idea how
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2008-04-15T02:14:55  <jeff> heh. perhaps the user set the "Disable this account forever" option.
2008-04-15T02:29:44  <jeff> yep.
2008-04-15T02:29:50  <jeff> damn. what a waste of time.
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2008-04-15T07:58:31  <sylvar> If we're moving our database onto a separate server, am I right in thinking that what we have to change in terms of setup is (1) postgres permissions for access from the network server and (2) the bits in /openils/conf that match 'grep Pg'?
2008-04-15T08:07:46  <miker_> sylvar: grep Pg && grep pgsql (for the C-based libdbi stuff)
2008-04-15T08:08:07  <sylvar> OK, thanks.
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2008-04-15T10:00:48  <djfiander> good news: my development environment is almost entirely put back together
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2008-04-15T10:01:20  <djfiander> bad news: I need to move it over to my linux box, since the Mac filesystem is case preserving/insensitive.
2008-04-15T10:03:58  <miker_> djfiander: the OpenSRF.js file goes one directory up from the opensrf.js file after everything is installed by the ils makefile
2008-04-15T10:04:14  <miker_> so, you have js/dojo/OpenSRF.js
2008-04-15T10:04:38  <miker_> and js/dojo/opensrf/opensrf[_xhr].js
2008-04-15T10:04:40  <djfiander> miker_: that helps. I just have to hack together some way to get it out of svn.
2008-04-15T10:04:47  <miker_> oh godd
2008-04-15T10:04:49  <miker_> oh
2008-04-15T10:04:52  <miker_> oh my
2008-04-15T10:04:56  <miker_> that's very uncool
2008-04-15T10:05:13  <miker_> mac--
2008-04-15T10:05:16  <dbs> We should probably fix the case of opensrf.js vs. OpenSRF.js
2008-04-15T10:05:28  <djfiander> about 20 years ago, I got into an argument with a senoir engineer about case sensitivity and names
2008-04-15T10:05:37  <djfiander> back then I was in favour of sensitivity.
2008-04-15T10:05:44  <djfiander> over time, my position has shifted.
2008-04-15T10:06:22  <djfiander> case preserving/insensitive is, I now think, the best way.
2008-04-15T10:06:42  <djfiander> if nothing else, it passes the telephone test: if you have to read filenames over the phone, things get nasty fast with sensitive names
2008-04-15T10:08:04  <dbs> artunit will freak out about this too
2008-04-15T10:08:11  <dbs> damned cabal of mac users
2008-04-15T10:08:45  <djfiander> well, the Mac's are pointing out the problem
2008-04-15T10:09:04  <dbs> yeah yeah - that's why I said we should fix the case
2008-04-15T10:09:14  <dbs> that is, rename one of them
2008-04-15T10:09:20  <djfiander> If I was 100% unix, I might not have noticed the problem, but from an engineering point of view, significant case is a problem
2008-04-15T10:09:42  <djfiander> of course, my inner mathematician is disagreeing, but there you go.
2008-04-15T10:09:49  <miker_> heh
2008-04-15T10:10:19  * miker_ realizes the irony of beating up on a language for having significant whitespace
2008-04-15T10:10:47  <miker_> so, OpenSRF.js should just move somewhere else, since it's the new kid on the block
2008-04-15T10:10:54  <djfiander> miker_: if it didn't work so well, I'd continue to dislike that about python.
2008-04-15T10:11:21  <djfiander> see also my recent blog posting about preferred languages ;-)
2008-04-15T10:13:47  <dbs> miker_: move it somewhere else, or just rename it?
2008-04-15T10:15:08  <miker_> dbs: I'm not crazy about renaming at install ... but I guess it could be OpenSRF-dojo-wrapper.js
2008-04-15T10:15:52  <dbs> ah, I meant rename it in svn and just use that name outside of svn
2008-04-15T10:16:21  <dbs> OpenSRF.js is dead to me. DEAD.
2008-04-15T10:17:27  <djfiander> what's an OpenSRF.js?  I've got an opensrf.js...Is that what you mean?
2008-04-15T10:17:30  <djfiander> ;-)
2008-04-15T10:19:49  <miker_> dbs: well, that's what I meant, actually
2008-04-15T10:20:07  <miker_> rename it to OpenSRF-dojo-wrapper.js in snv, and rename it on copy
2008-04-15T10:20:11  <miker_> at install time
2008-04-15T10:20:34  <djfiander> or just give it a new name and use the new name at all times
2008-04-15T10:20:55  <dbs> what djfiander said
2008-04-15T10:21:22  <dbs> that ends up touching something like 8 more files, but that's pretty minimal collateral
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2008-04-15T10:24:05  <djfiander> source that lives "here" with name A and is installed "there" with name B will make release engineering even worse than two files that differ only in case.
2008-04-15T10:25:25  * dbs proposes opensrf_dojo_wrapper.js in svn, will update the requires accordingly
2008-04-15T10:27:31  <dbs> assuming, of course, that require("opensrf_dojo_wrapper") that provides("opensrf_dojo_wrapper") will still give us access to OpenSRF namespace
2008-04-15T10:30:32  <dbs> hmm. that could be a bad assumption.
2008-04-15T10:31:15  <djfiander> dbs: yeah, probably. files == namespaces is a pretty common thing nowadays
2008-04-15T10:31:31  <djfiander> (incf lisp_
2008-04-15T10:31:42  <djfiander> (incf lisp)
2008-04-15T10:34:00  <dbs> confirmed, it is a bad assumption. no wonder miker_ wants to just rename it at build time
2008-04-15T10:34:05  <dbs> sassafrassin.
2008-04-15T10:34:12  <sarabee> cv/" VXXxxxxx
2008-04-15T10:34:12  <sarabee> >""""""""!
2008-04-15T10:34:31  <djfiander> line noise, or baby on keyboard?
2008-04-15T10:34:49  <dbs> or ascii art for a _very_ grumpy miker_
2008-04-15T10:35:38  <dbs> how about s/OpenSRF(.js)?/DojoSRF$1/ ?
2008-04-15T10:35:59  <djfiander> works for me, and that's actually a pretty good namespace name too.
2008-04-15T10:36:17  <dbs> okay, I'll work on it
2008-04-15T10:36:31  <miker_> hold on  :)
2008-04-15T10:36:40  <miker_> I mean, yes
2008-04-15T10:36:43  <miker_> well
2008-04-15T10:36:43  <miker_> no
2008-04-15T10:37:00  <dbs> DOHpenSRF?
2008-04-15T10:37:17  <miker_> part of dojo wrapping is dojo.provide('foo')
2008-04-15T10:37:20  <dbs> yes
2008-04-15T10:37:24  <miker_> and foo should match things that you can call
2008-04-15T10:37:28  <dbs> yes
2008-04-15T10:37:35  <dbs> I was going to change all of that to DojoSRF
2008-04-15T10:37:41  <miker_> and should match the name of the
2008-04-15T10:37:48  <miker_> oh ... but, see, that's the thing
2008-04-15T10:38:20  <miker_> OpenSRF.js /just/ makes opensrf.js et al loadable via dojo.require
2008-04-15T10:38:36  <miker_> opensrf.js creates an object called OpenSRF
2008-04-15T10:38:55  <miker_> which has member functions like ClientSession, etc
2008-04-15T10:39:10  <miker_> and... OpenSRF.asdf() is used everywhere right now
2008-04-15T10:39:22  <miker_> in the new code, anyway
2008-04-15T10:39:54  <djfiander> let me know how this all turns out :)
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2008-04-15T10:40:03  <miker_> haha
2008-04-15T10:40:15  <dbs> so - mv OpenSRF.js DojoSRF.js
2008-04-15T10:40:33  <dbs> edit DojoSRF.js and s/OpenSRF/DojoSRF/
2008-04-15T10:40:46  <dbs> and done? Nothing more needs to be touched?
2008-04-15T10:41:20  <dbs> well, not even that much
2008-04-15T10:41:41  <miker_> no, that's not done
2008-04-15T10:41:43  <miker_> I mean
2008-04-15T10:42:24  <miker_> you say "dojo.require('DojoSRF')", right? but then you /use/ OpenSRF -- which is defined in opensrf.js ... that seems confusing to me
2008-04-15T10:43:01  <dbs> would you prefer dojo.require('OpenSRF_wrapper') ?
2008-04-15T10:43:08  <miker_> my question is, why not call OpenSRF.js OpenSRF-dojo-wrapper.js in svn, and then at install time copy it to js/dojo/OpenSRF.js
2008-04-15T10:43:12  <miker_> no!
2008-04-15T10:43:14  <miker_> gah
2008-04-15T10:43:16  <miker_> :)
2008-04-15T10:43:39  <miker_> the problem is /only/ that we can't have OpenSRF.js and opensrf.js in the same directory at the same time on a Mac, right?
2008-04-15T10:43:41  <dbs> djfiander and I dislike the build-time renaming
2008-04-15T10:44:09  <miker_> so do I
2008-04-15T10:44:28  <dbs> I guess it's a question of what's least offensive..
2008-04-15T10:44:34  <miker_> but making everything more confusing so we don't have do do a cp doesn't seem to make sense...
2008-04-15T10:44:57  <miker_> right
2008-04-15T10:46:11  <miker_> is something handled by a makefile on a file that's not useful until it's copied anyway less intrusive than magical namespace shifting in live code? IMO, yes ... but, as always, please convince me otherwise
2008-04-15T10:46:28  <dbs> I don't care enough to argue
2008-04-15T10:46:31  <miker_> haha
2008-04-15T10:46:55  <miker_> well, I'm really just trying to understand for myself ... and to make sure that the implications are well understood
2008-04-15T10:47:14  <miker_> opensrf.js can stand on its own, and I don't think we should change that
2008-04-15T10:47:40  <miker_> and that file creates the OpenSRF "namespace" by creating a global object
2008-04-15T10:47:48  <miker_> and that code is in use outside dojo right now
2008-04-15T10:47:50  <dbs> I've just reverted any changes I made locally
2008-04-15T10:47:57  <miker_> so, I really fear changing that
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2008-04-15T10:53:05  <dbs> wifi--
2008-04-15T10:53:19  <miker_> dbs: heh ... I figured "well, I run /everyone/ off eventually" :P
2008-04-15T11:04:54  <dbs> miker_: it'll take more than that!
2008-04-15T11:05:25  <miker_> that's good news, because you've not yet seen the depths of my grumpiness ;)
2008-04-15T11:07:59  <miker_> so ... just changing the filename to DojoSRF.js (and then the dojo.require() calls -- some are nested in other dojo-ized files) obviously would work, and I guess I can't complain then... one thing we may want to do, though, is move DojoSRF back into js/dojo/opensrf/ to clean up my file leaking ... and since it's providing an interface other than it's name anyway
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2008-04-15T11:32:49  <dbs> Yeargh. current Simple2ZOOM requires yaz 3.0.10
2008-04-15T11:52:35  <miker_> blarg!
2008-04-15T11:52:52  <miker_> dbs: did you see my aquiescense at 11:14?
2008-04-15T11:56:31  <dbs> hah, no
2008-04-15T11:56:37  * dbs checks screen
2008-04-15T11:57:20  <dbs> oh, heh - yes I did, but my time is off on this machine :)
2008-04-15T11:57:36  <miker_> ahh, well, mine probably is too by a bit
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2008-04-15T12:51:37  <djfiander> proprietary_plugins--
2008-04-15T12:54:10  <djfiander> dbs: "Mounties raid Tory HQ" http://tinyurl.com/63zh5f
2008-04-15T12:54:32  <agJohn> miker_, berick: What's the best way to send you some technical questions about setting up some servers so that they can run multiple instances of Evergreen? (Email? Post here? Post in private area?) This is a question related to setting up various demo instances of EG (with different data) on limited hardware. I recognize it's not ideal to do this, but the point isn't to have production-quality pe
2008-04-15T12:54:33  <agJohn> rformance, but a viable demo setup for multiple libraries. Distilled down to the most fundamental (as I'm seeing it now), do we virtualize the the server, or is there some way to have multiple instances of OpenSRF/Evergreen on one non-virtualized OS instance? As envisioned at this point, we'd have the DB stuff on one box (different DB names for the different databases) and then have another...
2008-04-15T12:54:35  <agJohn> ...box running OpenSRF/Evergreen (my guess, based on prior conversations along these lines is that virtualizing the server is probably the way to go).
2008-04-15T12:54:35  <djfiander> too bad Dion's such a wuss or we might actually have had an election
2008-04-15T12:55:54  <agJohn> If you gents up north feel the need, we might be willing to outsource our election .... ;-)
2008-04-15T12:56:55  <dbs> djfiander: too bad the mounties didn't come down with carts and bags filled with tory mps
2008-04-15T12:57:18  <dbs> agJohn: I think that would be a great question for the open-ils-dev list
2008-04-15T12:57:20  <miker_> agJohn: berick is out for real-time stuff for the next few days, but you can send it to both of us in email ... virtualizing the non-db stuff certainly makes things easier, especially for pre-1.4 releases
2008-04-15T12:57:40  <miker_> or send it to the list, sure :)
2008-04-15T12:58:14  <agJohn> miker_: If that's the answer (virtualize), then we can run with that for now. Is 1.4 going to be more able to run multiple instances?
2008-04-15T12:58:56  <miker_> well, it will be easier, due to the hostname setting stuff in trunk
2008-04-15T13:02:55  <agJohn> dbs: My main concern with putting on the list something as complex as a discussion about how you might run multiple instances of the OpenSRF stack/Evergreen on one box was just that I feared that it would most likely feel to miker and berick that they had to respond in detail--and I wasn't sure how many people would really be interested (since most sites would be doing just one instance).
2008-04-15T13:03:26  <miker_> it would be a good wiki topic at some point
2008-04-15T13:05:06  <dbs> agJohn: sure - but if miker_ and/or berick have to respond to a private email anyways, why not make the answer publicly accessible via google and all that good stuff :)
2008-04-15T13:05:40  <miker_> agJohn: I think he's ganging up on both of us! ;)
2008-04-15T13:05:50  <miker_> s/ganging up/pushing/
2008-04-15T13:09:09  <agJohn> The thing is, if the answer is, "It might be made to work, but it's a lot of trouble; therefore go the virtualization route," then I don't know that an enumeration of all the issues is important to me at the moment (so I won't trouble Mike and Bill with detailed questions at this point). 8^\
2008-04-15T13:09:44  <miker_> IMO, virtualization will be the simplest route by far
2008-04-15T13:10:22  <agJohn> We'll give that a shot. Do you have a favorite virtualizer? vserver? freebie VMware?
2008-04-15T13:10:24  <dbs> certainly easy deployment - copy your vm instance, fire it up, tweak settings, and roll
2008-04-15T13:11:16  <miker_> we'll be testing UML and Xen, and we know that vmware works (but they have nasty EUL terms for site licenses)
2008-04-15T13:11:45  <jeff> which nasty EULA terms for vmware?
2008-04-15T13:12:31  <dbs> miker_: vmware esx? vmware server seems reasonable...
2008-04-15T13:12:31  <miker_> jeff: if you want a site license to provide services from a virt-farm, you have to sign accept a "I'll only ever use VMWare" clause
2008-04-15T13:12:49  <jeff> ah, right. their hosting/service-provider terms.
2008-04-15T13:12:51  <miker_> doing it for yourself is different
2008-04-15T13:12:53  <miker_> right
2008-04-15T13:12:54  * jeff nods
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2008-04-15T13:13:15  <jeff> just checking. there were a few clauses that were scary at first, but we found that they didn't mean what they appeared to mean at first glance. ;)
2008-04-15T13:13:36  <jeff> (things like limiting you to one installed vmware server... pretty obvious there, since they give you many serial numbers...)
2008-04-15T13:13:53  <miker_> yeah, the in-house terms are fine, I think
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2008-04-15T13:14:22  <jeff> we've been fine with them so far, yeah.
2008-04-15T13:14:42  <agJohn> Good info, jeff & miker_.
2008-04-15T13:14:43  <agJohn> For us, the whole question may be rendered moot in the short term, having taken the box out of the colocation facility to restage it where we can more easily work on it, the %$#@! thing won't even post, let alone boot. Sigh.... So I think the number of virtual machines it'll host is, for the moment, a nice round number....
2008-04-15T13:15:02  <miker_> hahaha
2008-04-15T13:15:05  <miker_> agJohn++
2008-04-15T13:15:14  <miker_> non-posting-hardware--
2008-04-15T13:15:33  * jeff laughs
2008-04-15T13:15:43  <jeff> ouch.
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2008-04-15T13:20:50  <dbs> that's not evil. that's demonic.
2008-04-15T13:20:57  <miker_> dbs: I could loan you a cat5e cable
2008-04-15T13:21:38  <dbs> miker_: I'm not sure it's my wireless; thinking it might be pidgin
2008-04-15T13:22:06  <dbs> (although I did switch routers yesterday; switched from kde to gnome over the weekend)
2008-04-15T13:23:16  <dbs> phasefx_: got a training gig today?
2008-04-15T13:23:43  <miker_> phasefx_ was in a car accident earlier, so probably not.  He's OK as far as we know
2008-04-15T13:23:51  <miker_> but he's getting checked out ATM
2008-04-15T13:24:07  <dbs> oh crap!
2008-04-15T13:24:28  <miker_> yeah
2008-04-15T13:24:35  <dbs> i'm sure berick and bradl are starting to feel nervous
2008-04-15T13:25:33  <miker_> I'm not leaving the house today :)
2008-04-15T13:25:50  <miker_> no tempting fate
2008-04-15T13:40:46  * djfiander makes note to defer OS upgrade on dev box until after project is completed.
2008-04-15T14:20:08  <agJohn> When you know anything about Jason, let us know, please....
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2008-04-15T14:25:58  <miker_> agJohn: I will
2008-04-15T14:26:21  <EGUEST272> trying to get evergreen up on ubuntu 7.10
2008-04-15T14:27:11  <EGUEST272> So I am trying to run setting-tester.pl as opensrf
2008-04-15T14:28:24  <EGUEST272> I am trying sudo -u opensrf ./setting-tester.pl or try to su opensrf
2008-04-15T14:29:28  <EGUEST272> I don't know the password for opensrf since I guess user opensrf was created by an install script.
2008-04-15T14:29:53  <EGUEST272> What can I try?
2008-04-15T14:29:57  <dbs> sudo su - opensrf
2008-04-15T14:29:59  <miker_> you'd have to have root to install in any case
2008-04-15T14:30:08  <miker_> right
2008-04-15T14:30:21  <EGUEST272> yes
2008-04-15T14:31:16  <EGUEST272> I Installed this box from scratch.  I have root access.
2008-04-15T14:31:53  <dbs> Does "sudo su - opensrf" work?
2008-04-15T14:32:35  <djfiander> dbs: yup, because you're running su as root
2008-04-15T14:33:31  <EGUEST272> I will try
2008-04-15T14:35:20  <dbs> djfiander: of course it will work :)
2008-04-15T14:35:46  <dbs> I was just trying to phrase my suggestion another way to get a response
2008-04-15T14:36:28  <miker_> dbs: I'm || that close to having an openils.I18N.getTranslations( obj, field [, locale] ) thing working under dojo ... so, there's that :)
2008-04-15T14:37:34  <miker_> anyone recall in firebug how to get the body of a function?
2008-04-15T14:37:54  <dbs> miker_: ah, for database-dependent stuff - awesome
2008-04-15T14:38:04  <dbs> miker_: I'm firebug clueless, sadly
2008-04-15T14:38:15  <dbs> maybe try #code4lib?
2008-04-15T14:40:28  <dbs> EGUEST272: any luck?
2008-04-15T14:41:34  <EGUEST272> I can't get it to work
2008-04-15T14:42:49  <dbs> sudo su - opensrf doesn't work?
2008-04-15T14:43:05  <dbs> or "perl settings-tester.pl" doesn't work?
2008-04-15T14:44:43  <EGUEST272> sudo su - opensrf works but when I try to go to the directory and run the script it wont run
2008-04-15T14:45:16  <dbs> what does it say when you run "perl settings-tester.pl" ?
2008-04-15T14:45:48  <EGUEST272> 4 Begin not found
2008-04-15T14:47:37  <dbs> umm - what does it say when you type "echo $PERL5LIB" ?
2008-04-15T14:48:19  <EGUEST272> nothing
2008-04-15T14:48:35  <dbs> okay. so you're missing a few steps in the install process, I think
2008-04-15T14:49:38  <EGUEST272> where would a good place to start be?
2008-04-15T14:49:51  <dbs> Oh - Ubuntu instructions do something bad - they just set env vars at the top of certain scripts
2008-04-15T14:50:22  <dbs> see step 23 of http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=installing_evergreen_1.2_on_debian_etch_x86_32-bit
2008-04-15T14:50:27  <EGUEST272> I have postres ejabberd apache2 and everything else it says.
2008-04-15T14:50:38  <EGUEST272> Thanks I will right now.
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2008-04-15T14:56:24  <dbs> Okay. Once you've got .bashrc set up for your opensrf user, try ". ~/.bashrc", then run "perl settings-tester.pl" again
2008-04-15T14:56:42  <dbs> (yes, it's pidgin causing my connectivity problems. GREEERGAGAHRGH)
2008-04-15T15:05:12  <dbs> EGUEST272: any luck?
2008-04-15T15:08:42  <dbs> "4 Begin not found" makes no sense to me. man.
2008-04-15T15:12:45  <jeff> error.locale = (en_SMS)
2008-04-15T15:13:17  <jeff> UR QRY RT 0 RSLTS. PLZ TRY AGN
2008-04-15T15:13:37  <jeff> GTG CUL8R
2008-04-15T15:14:01  <EGUEST272> my opensrf user has no home directory and therefore I guess no .bashrc file
2008-04-15T15:15:13  <EGUEST272> I tried to create a .bashrc file as opensrf user but got permission denied.
2008-04-15T15:17:15  <dbs> Ah, that's certainly a problem
2008-04-15T15:18:07  <dbs> you could "sudo mkdir /home/opensrf" then "sudo chown opensrf:opensrf /home/opensrf", then create the .bashrc file
2008-04-15T15:18:46  <EGUEST272> Ok I will try that.
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2008-04-15T16:11:16  <miker_> Jason's OK folks. now we can go back to talkin' bad about him.
2008-04-15T16:11:29  * dbs sighs
2008-04-15T16:11:43  <dbs> (with relief!)
2008-04-15T16:40:27  <agJohn> Thanks for the update on phasefx, miker.
2008-04-15T16:41:26  <EGUEST272> thanks ver much I got settings-tester.pl to work
2008-04-15T16:43:01  <miker_> so ... I'm about to check in js/dojo/openils/I18N.js ... this file provides, among other things, the following: openils.I18N.getTranslations( obj, field [,locale] ) and returns a scalar i18n object (fieldmapper object) if you provide a locale (and nothing if a translation doesn't exist), or an array of them for all existing locales (for that field on that object) if you don't give it a locale -- and an empty array if there
2008-04-15T16:43:01  <miker_> are none
2008-04-15T16:43:11  <miker_> EGUEST272: good!
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2008-04-15T16:44:25  <EGUEST272> However I installed libdbi-drivers 0.8.3.1 instead of 0.8.2.1 as per the instructions
2008-04-15T16:44:45  <miker_> EGUEST272: that's fine. anything after 0.8.2.1 is good
2008-04-15T16:44:56  <EGUEST272> my db connections don't seem to work
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2008-04-15T18:16:37  <dbs> miker_: sounds really great (openils.I18N)
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2008-04-15T19:35:15  <djfiander> miker &&/|| berick: where do OpenSRF.js and opensrf.js go?
2008-04-15T19:35:51  <djfiander> since they live in different places, I've checkout out OpenSRF on the linux box and will just copy those over into the correct places and everything should just work
2008-04-15T19:36:10  <djfiander> Hmmm... I can figure that out from 404 errors in firebug :)
2008-04-15T19:37:50  <djfiander> if firefox would only stop crashing
2008-04-15T19:38:08  <djfiander> fsck me.
2008-04-15T19:51:04  <djfiander> ok, there's an oils/media/js/openils/OrgTree.js _and_ a js/dojo/fieldmapper/OrgTree.js?
2008-04-15T19:53:34  * djfiander browses around in acq.open-ils.org/oils/media
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2008-04-15T20:09:48  <berick> djfiander: hmm, I don't have a fieldmapper/OrgTree.js, though there is a fieldmapper/OrgUtils.js
2008-04-15T20:10:06  <djfiander> hmmm
2008-04-15T20:12:15  <djfiander> hang on
2008-04-15T20:13:09  <miker_> berick: js/dojo/fieldmapper/OrgTree.js is now built by autogen.sh
2008-04-15T20:13:36  <miker_> for dojo-ification of org_utils.js, spelled fieldmapper/OrgUtils.js
2008-04-15T20:13:58  <miker_> fieldmapper/OrgLasso.js too
2008-04-15T20:14:38  <djfiander> ok, so far so good, now. but
2008-04-15T20:14:46  <berick> miker_: ok, good to know
2008-04-15T20:14:53  <miker_> djfiander: as of right now, OpenSRF.js goes in js/dojo/ and opensrf.js (and opensrf_xhr.js) goes in js/dojo/opensrf/
2008-04-15T20:14:59  <djfiander> _somebody_ thinks that there's a /js/dojo/OpenSRF.js
2008-04-15T20:15:05  <miker_> there is
2008-04-15T20:15:39  <djfiander> *adjust*
2008-04-15T20:16:00  <miker_> what will probably happen, since I aquiesced, is that OpenSRF.js will move to js/dojo/opensrf/DojoSRF.js, and will create the OpenSRF namespace
2008-04-15T20:16:23  <miker_> or, that was what dbs was talking about earlier
2008-04-15T20:16:59  <duuuude> heh - are we just waiting for each other to move?
2008-04-15T20:17:02  <berick> dojosrf.. heh
2008-04-15T20:17:52  <djfiander> ok, now I just need dojo/fieldmapper/dojoData.js
2008-04-15T20:18:06  <miker_> I'll register my last objection to creating a namespace (OpenSRF) via a file that is not similarly named ... but it seems the majority opinion in preference to just copying OpenSRF-dojo-wrapper.js to OpenSRF.js ...
2008-04-15T20:18:14  <miker_> djfiander: that's in trunk
2008-04-15T20:18:25  <djfiander> yeah, I figured. just gotta copy it over
2008-04-15T20:18:34  <berick> djfiander: in my test env, I just symlink to ILS/trunk/Open-ILS/web/js/dojo/fieldmapper
2008-04-15T20:18:46  <berick> easy to maintain
2008-04-15T20:18:49  <miker_> berick: makefile should work fine now
2008-04-15T20:18:52  <djfiander> berick: yup
2008-04-15T20:19:07  <berick> miker_:  acq-experiement
2008-04-15T20:19:20  <duuuude> miker_: working solution wins, man
2008-04-15T20:19:29  <djfiander> I'm mostly handcrafting a bunch of this stuff right now. but my runtime is just a link farm pointing to the source tree.
2008-04-15T20:19:57  <djfiander> you can have _this_ release engineering nightmare or _that_ releng nightmare ;-)
2008-04-15T20:20:30  <miker_> berick: could you just merge everything into acq-ex?
2008-04-15T20:21:28  <djfiander> ok, the fieldmapper stuff is in Open-ILS/trunk
2008-04-15T20:21:37  <berick> miker_: we could, if everyone promises to maintian updates in both branches
2008-04-15T20:21:54  <duuuude> how long do we need the acq-ex branch?
2008-04-15T20:22:04  <miker_> isn't this one of the benefits of svn? you can just merge crap around?
2008-04-15T20:22:07  <duuuude> the duuuude has 'tude
2008-04-15T20:22:22  <berick> duuuude: IIR, after 1.4 is branched is the plan
2008-04-15T20:22:26  <miker_> duuuude: until we cut 1.4-rc1
2008-04-15T20:23:28  <djfiander> I'm having a Big Lebowski moment over here, eh
2008-04-15T20:25:12  <berick> miker_: there are some good automerging tools for keeping a test branch updated to trunk, but it's too late in the game for the acq branch to take advantage of them.  IOW, since some stuff has already been manually merged, there would be double-merges and crap.
2008-04-15T20:25:17  <djfiander> so, there's an oils/media/js/opensrf/opensrf.js AND a js/dojo/opensrf/opensrf.js ?
2008-04-15T20:25:38  <berick> djfiander: only the second is what we'll be using in the future
2008-04-15T20:25:55  <djfiander> but they're the same, right
2008-04-15T20:26:01  <miker_> yes
2008-04-15T20:26:33  <miker_> if you just dojo.require('OpenSRF')  (soon to change, I guess) then you're good
2008-04-15T20:30:14  <duuuude> Let's change it to dojo.require('MikersGrittedTeeth')
2008-04-15T20:31:04  <djfiander> ok, now I'm just down to missing OrgTree.js and OrgLasso.js from dojo/fieldmapper
2008-04-15T20:31:34  <duuuude> sorry, sorry - just finished a remote guest lecture on Evergreen in which Adobe Breeze wouldn't let me share my screen (Linux as a factor, possibly)
2008-04-15T20:31:54  <miker_> heh
2008-04-15T20:31:58  <duuuude> so no tour of the staff client and a tour of the catalog by sending links... argh
2008-04-15T20:32:22  <miker_> djfiander: autogen.sh from trunk will get you those
2008-04-15T20:32:36  <miker_> duuuude++ #guest lecturing
2008-04-15T20:33:09  <berick> djfiander: you'll need this OrgTree.js: http://acq.open-ils.org/opac/common/js/OrgTree.js
2008-04-15T20:34:53  <duuuude> followed by quickly draining a cold, relaxing beer
2008-04-15T20:35:04  <djfiander> bugger
2008-04-15T20:35:27  <djfiander> my system thinks I do, in fact, need two copies of OrgTree.js I think
2008-04-15T20:35:38  <djfiander> where does JSON_v12.js go?
2008-04-15T20:35:46  <duuuude> v12?
2008-04-15T20:35:50  <berick> JSON_v1.js lives in opensrf/
2008-04-15T20:35:56  <djfiander> ok
2008-04-15T20:37:52  <djfiander>  /opensrf or /oils/media/js/opensrf ? Mine thinks the latter
2008-04-15T20:38:40  <berick> in your test env, /oils/media/js/dojo/opensrf
2008-04-15T20:39:27  <miker_> berick: who's loading JSON_v1.js via dojo.require?
2008-04-15T20:39:50  <berick> miker_: I assumed one of the other opensrf JS libs were, since they require it
2008-04-15T20:40:10  <berick> OpenSRF.js doesn't? .. hmm, guess not
2008-04-15T20:40:16  <miker_> nope ... in all my code, that's being pulled in before dojo
2008-04-15T20:40:58  <miker_> I can have OpenSRF.js require it ;)
2008-04-15T20:41:26  <miker_> or we could just dojo-ify it and stick it somewhere
2008-04-15T20:42:26  <berick> don't know.. it all feels so arbitrary.
2008-04-15T20:43:23  <miker_> berick: does the/some makefile put it in a dojo subdir yet?
2008-04-15T20:43:46  <berick> i'm perfectly happy just <script src=''/> on JSON since it's required /everywhere/
2008-04-15T20:43:59  <miker_> that's how it is now
2008-04-15T20:44:17  <berick> miker_: JSON is put wherever the othe opensrf JS files are put
2008-04-15T20:45:03  <miker_> berick: the dojo-izing makefile stuff picks /only/ OpenSRF.js and opensrf*js ... so, it's wherever it's always gone
2008-04-15T20:45:09  <miker_> not into the dojo dirs
2008-04-15T20:45:38  <miker_> I did not remove the previous makefile behaviour
2008-04-15T20:46:00  <djfiander> and this would explain why my sys wants opensrf/opensrf.js to be in both media/js and in dojo :P
2008-04-15T20:46:06  <miker_> only added to it for those 3 files (four ... it gets opensrf_xmpp.js, I guess)
2008-04-15T20:46:13  <miker_> djfiander: yes
2008-04-15T20:46:30  <berick> so, it's going into /openils/lib/javascript and opac/common/js
2008-04-15T20:46:32  <duuuude> cp from /openils/lib/javascript to opac/common/js I
2008-04-15T20:46:40  <djfiander> You are in a maze of twisty little passages all the same
2008-04-15T20:46:43  <miker_> I'm not going to break old code ... this is that "move towards dojo" I was talking about before :)
2008-04-15T20:47:17  * djfiander notes that there is, in fact, a kernel limit on the number of symlinks one can follow before the FS gives up
2008-04-15T20:47:24  <miker_> hahaha
2008-04-15T20:47:27  <berick> heh
2008-04-15T20:47:33  <berick> we have something to strive for
2008-04-15T20:47:42  <duuuude> You are in a maze of little twisty passages, all different
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2008-04-15T20:51:22  <djfiander> ok, all that's missing is OrgLasso.js. Can I ignore that ? ;-)
2008-04-15T20:52:11  <miker_> you can, unless it causes JS errors
2008-04-15T20:53:22  <djfiander> ok, this is bent. Console says "Could not load 'openils.User'", but no 404 on Net log
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2008-04-15T20:54:19  <berick> djfiander: do you see a 404 for openils.Event?
2008-04-15T20:54:28  <djfiander> nope.
2008-04-15T20:54:33  <djfiander> only 404 is for OrgLasso
2008-04-15T20:54:53  <miker_> put this in OrgLasso.js:
2008-04-15T20:54:56  <berick> djfiander: do you have Event.js and User.js in dojo/openils/ ?
2008-04-15T20:55:03  <miker_> var _lasso = [];
2008-04-15T20:55:06  <miker_> just that
2008-04-15T20:55:08  <djfiander> heh
2008-04-15T20:55:18  <djfiander> I don't have a dojo/openils ;-)
2008-04-15T20:55:22  <djfiander> hang on
2008-04-15T20:55:38  <berick> djfiander: that's also in trunk .. Open-ILS/web/js/dojo/openils
2008-04-15T20:59:29  <djfiander> woo-hoo
2008-04-15T21:01:54  <berick> djfiander: so, i've been obsessing over the funding_source interfaces because i'm trying to develop some best practices for building some of these widgets (grids, perm org ranged tree pickers, etc.)
2008-04-15T21:02:13  <berick> that will be common to a lot of these interfaces
2008-04-15T21:02:13  <djfiander> and now my grid works. whatever.
2008-04-15T21:02:23  <berick> djfiander: oh, did you see my commit about your grid?
2008-04-15T21:02:34  <djfiander> nope
2008-04-15T21:02:48  <djfiander> what'd I break?
2008-04-15T21:02:57  <berick> i found out that the default model query wasn't happy with the grid you were drawing and some I was drawaing
2008-04-15T21:03:04  <berick> you didn't break anything
2008-04-15T21:03:14  <berick> but my initial example code was missing the query param
2008-04-15T21:03:20  <djfiander> dojo it incredibly brittle
2008-04-15T21:03:20  <berick> which only affected certain grids
2008-04-15T21:03:26  <djfiander> right.
2008-04-15T21:04:27  <berick> of course, that doesn't explain what role the alerts played ;)
2008-04-15T21:04:47  <djfiander> not at all.... brittle.
2008-04-15T21:04:57  <berick> but, i'm getting more comfortable with the way dojo likes things to be done
2008-04-15T21:06:10  * djfiander reverts to get rid of various hacks he added while tracking down nonexistant bugs
2008-04-15T21:07:18  <djfiander> oops
2008-04-15T21:07:29  <djfiander> never mind
2008-04-15T21:11:34  <berick> so, where should we put JS code that has no need to publish an API.  for example, the JS code that renders the widgets on my list_funding_source page.
2008-04-15T21:12:09  <berick> i don't want to leave it all on the HTML, becauase that's extra crap the templating engine has to parse
2008-04-15T21:12:46  <miker_> berick: I've been creating a {filename}.js file right next to the html file
2008-04-15T21:12:54  <djfiander> berick: I know
2008-04-15T21:14:03  <djfiander> that works for me
2008-04-15T21:14:04  <berick> miker_: that would be good if we weren't using pylons...
2008-04-15T21:14:14  <djfiander> right
2008-04-15T21:14:24  <djfiander> they've gotta live over in "public"
2008-04-15T21:14:31  <berick> right
2008-04-15T21:14:46  <berick> we could add something special to the routes file...
2008-04-15T21:15:11  <berick> but the more JS that pylons knows nothing about, the better
2008-04-15T21:15:21  <djfiander> definitely
2008-04-15T21:15:47  <djfiander> we'll screw something up and pylons will interpolate something wacky into the middle of the .js and we'll never figure it out
2008-04-15T21:16:31  <berick> yeah, and it will bloat the amount of python that has to be run at page render time
2008-04-15T21:17:33  <miker_> berick: have you found a widget that is a textbox that accepts a store (or list of values) and will also allow freeform test?
2008-04-15T21:18:04  <miker_> like a combobox that will allow you to enter a value that's not on the list?
2008-04-15T21:18:48  <djfiander> ok, I've been so focused on side-issues I need to get my head back into actually coding :(
2008-04-15T21:18:54  <berick> miker_: closest i've seen is the combobox
2008-04-15T21:19:24  <miker_> hmm.. I must be confused... combobox is doing what I want, but I thought it restricted to the store values
2008-04-15T21:19:26  <miker_> ok
2008-04-15T21:24:16  <djfiander> uh-oh. I'm now out of Scotch
2008-04-15T21:24:30  <berick> that's not good at all
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2008-04-15T21:28:39  <djfiander> dbs: what's in DC?
2008-04-15T21:29:03  <dbs> Friends, family, and the White House
2008-04-15T21:30:49  * dbs gives praise and karma to mjgiarlo++
2008-04-15T21:36:58  <dbs> djfiander: It's just a vacation - in-laws that live there are returning to canada soon, so we thought we would use their place as home base for exploring for a while
2008-04-15T21:37:31  <djfiander> dbs: cool. DC's a great place to be a tourist. so much is free
2008-04-15T21:50:05  <dbs> miker_: stupid question - are you waiting for me to s/OpenSRF/DojoSRF/?
2008-04-15T21:52:30  <miker_> dbs: not waiting as such
2008-04-15T21:52:35  <miker_> I'll do it if you want
2008-04-15T21:53:15  <dbs> I just started working on it, hopefully I'll finish soon
2008-04-15T21:58:02  <bradl> dbs: are you a closet Pope groupie?
2008-04-15T21:58:40  <dbs> bradl: I have no idea of what you are talking about
2008-04-15T21:58:40  <bradl> (that's the /real/ reason for the DC visit, we all know)
2008-04-15T21:58:49  <dbs> "You bet your sweet ass I'm a cardinal!"
2008-04-15T21:58:56  <berick> dbs: yeah, pack your cross
2008-04-15T21:59:31  <djfiander> heh.. my first thought was "Carole Pope", then I remembered Bennie's visit to Washington
2008-04-15T21:59:36  <bradl> crucufix... catholic ;)
2008-04-15T22:00:17  * bradl is still adjusting to this new keyboard :)
2008-04-15T22:00:34  <berick> ahh.. indeed
2008-04-15T22:02:35  <dbs> Alas, I am not a cardinal... 15 years have erased the proper codewords: http://themanthemyththebiologist.blogspot.com/2006/03/cardinal-puff.html
2008-04-15T22:07:52  <berick> wow, that's complicated
2008-04-15T22:17:45  <dbs> Okay. OpenSRF.js -> DojoSRF.js is complete. Wiped /openils/var/web and reinstalled OpenSRF and Evergreen trunk to test.
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2008-04-15T22:41:41  <djfiander> bedtime
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2008-04-15T22:43:56  <dbs> Okay. Maybe it's the damned router.
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