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2008-04-09T09:32:51  <berick> miker_: how would you feel about a _toStoreData() that takes incremental data?  e.g.  fmStore = obj._toStoreData([item1], ..); fmStore.push(item2);
2008-04-09T09:33:40  <berick> IOW, shoving streaming responses into a growing store
2008-04-09T09:36:12  <sarabee> ==miker
2008-04-09T09:36:24  <sarabee> berick: I'm already working on an interface like that
2008-04-09T09:37:09  <sarabee> in fact, I'm working on a direct store-building api in addition to the toStoreData interface
2008-04-09T09:37:29  <sarabee> you know you don't call _toStoreData directly, right?
2008-04-09T09:37:38  <berick> heh, i just realized that ;)
2008-04-09T09:37:45  * berick is going through the code now
2008-04-09T09:37:49  <berick> sarabee++
2008-04-09T09:38:31  <sarabee> berick: look at the usage in addition to the implementation ... the admin interface will explain it better than reading magical floating functions
2008-04-09T09:38:55  <sarabee> ok ... driving. biab
2008-04-09T09:39:14  <berick> word
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2008-04-09T10:47:06  * jeff looks in from the Michigan Evergreen meeting at GRPL
2008-04-09T10:47:13  <jeff> grpl++ for having sane wireless access :)
2008-04-09T10:48:54  <jeff> So, random question for anyone interested... a patron group can have a limit on total number of items checked out... can a limit be placed for a patron group + item type / circ modifier / stat cat / something? say, "normal patrons" can only check out ten audiobooks, and 30 items total?
2008-04-09T10:50:25  <eeevil> jeff: group + circ modifier or marc item type (on the copy or in the marc)
2008-04-09T10:50:25  <phasefx_> yes
2008-04-09T10:50:31  <phasefx_> :D
2008-04-09T10:53:04  <jeff> can hold limits be done the same way? patron group can have 10 max holds, but only 5 max holds on music CDs?
2008-04-09T10:53:36  <eeevil> jeff: yep
2008-04-09T10:57:09  <jeff> marcia warner is talking up your food offerings at PLA ;)
2008-04-09T10:57:30  <eeevil> heh
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2008-04-09T13:28:01  <phasefx_> denials: I get squirrelmail going to coffeecode.net
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2008-04-09T14:57:28  <sylvar> Wow!  Three phasefxen, no waiting.
2008-04-09T14:58:07  <phasefx_> hi hi :) I"m sitting on the gotomeeting thing
2008-04-09T16:13:07  <rsinger> heh
2008-04-09T16:13:31  <rsinger> miker_: your opensrf as atompub finally got some recognition in #talis :)
2008-04-09T16:14:01  <eeevil> rsinger: heh
2008-04-09T16:14:08  <eeevil> as in "man, that's crappy" ;)
2008-04-09T16:14:15  <rsinger> no, as in "man that's awesome"
2008-04-09T16:14:33  <eeevil> ha.. well, cool
2008-04-09T16:14:38  <rsinger> dan mullineux couldn't believe you did it and nobody commented on it
2008-04-09T16:14:56  <eeevil> the evergreen perception, I guess...
2008-04-09T16:14:58  <rsinger> i told him that i thought it was because nobody has any idea what we're doing
2008-04-09T16:15:00  <rsinger> no
2008-04-09T16:15:06  <eeevil> could be that
2008-04-09T16:15:24  <eeevil> I mean "nobody knows what we're doing"
2008-04-09T16:15:28  <rsinger> yeah
2008-04-09T16:15:57  <rsinger> i figure people saw that and said "huh, big blob of JSON" without realizing that it was the atompub part that they should be looking at
2008-04-09T16:16:26  <eeevil> :) ... the one I sent to the group list spits out an html table
2008-04-09T16:16:42  <eeevil> but that's neither here nor there, really
2008-04-09T16:16:44  <rsinger> oh?  i thought it was all json
2008-04-09T16:17:06  <rsinger> but, still, the point wasn't the content, since none of that has been defined yet
2008-04-09T16:17:23  <eeevil> http://dev.gapines.org/atompub/actor/user/1
2008-04-09T16:17:33  <eeevil> right
2008-04-09T16:17:42  <eeevil> I did that so it wouldn't be just a pile of JSON ;)
2008-04-09T16:17:46  <rsinger> oh, right :)
2008-04-09T16:17:48  <rsinger> heh
2008-04-09T16:17:57  <rsinger> it all look like crap in flock, anyway
2008-04-09T16:18:01  <eeevil> ha
2008-04-09T16:18:50  <eeevil> sorry I missed the whole auth discussion in #c4l
2008-04-09T16:19:07  <eeevil> I've had my head down in dojo
2008-04-09T16:19:33  <rsinger> i think i'll respond to this on list so people will take another look at it
2008-04-09T16:19:40  <eeevil> k
2008-04-09T16:19:46  <rsinger> meh, it's just rochkinding
2008-04-09T16:19:59  <eeevil> BWAHHAHA
2008-04-09T16:20:25  <eeevil> at a glance it looks like /service/ turns jangle into an unapi server ;)
2008-04-09T16:25:29  <rsinger> jangle *would* be a unapi server
2008-04-09T16:25:38  <rsinger> in my mind
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2008-04-09T18:06:59  * berick stares at js too long
2008-04-09T18:36:15  <rsinger> miker_: wow, there's yer kudos
2008-04-09T18:36:54  <rsinger> miker_: which, you may be interested to know, the british pronounce "koo-doss"
2008-04-09T18:37:12  <rsinger> (what's that?  you weren't interested?)
2008-04-09T18:40:43  <rsinger> of course, dan's actually an australian, anyway, so it's all neither here nor there
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2008-04-09T19:31:36  <sylvar> mike & brad: when's a good time tomorrow to talk about specifying hardware to implement EG properly?
2008-04-09T19:32:04  <sylvar> That should really be mike || brad, but more opinions could be better
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2008-04-09T19:38:39  <dbs> sylvar: are you looking for production specs, or something for a reasonable test?
2008-04-09T19:44:26  <dbs> biblio-dev.laurentian.ca is running on 12GB of RAM, 2 dual-core AMD64 CPUs, and a RAID5 array of SAS disks (10K RPM I think)
2008-04-09T19:44:50  <dbs> it has ~800K bibs loaded and seems plenty snappy to me
2008-04-09T19:45:08  <sylvar> Possibly something in between.  I'd definitely like to have a reasonable estimate of good beefy production specs, and if that turns out to be achievable by adding extra CPUs and memory to a somewhat cheaper demo system, then it'd be nice to have an easy upgrade path.
2008-04-09T19:46:11  <sylvar> We're looking at around 2.5-3M bibs.  Circulation is much lower than that figure might suggest, though.  The OPAC/postgresql stuff definitely needs a lot more speed.  Most searches take over 10 seconds; many time out.
2008-04-09T19:46:44  <dbs> And are you running on 1GB of RAM right now?
2008-04-09T19:46:50  <sylvar> But it sounds like if I can recommend a server to which we could add another 2 CPUs and more RAM...
2008-04-09T19:47:00  <sylvar> Lemme check...
2008-04-09T19:47:27  <sylvar> it's a VMware virtual server, for one thing!
2008-04-09T19:47:34  <dbs> ugh!
2008-04-09T19:47:38  <sylvar> looks like 4GB
2008-04-09T19:48:10  <sylvar> but the university's ready to find out what it's going to cost to bring up a nearly-ready-for-production server so they can do a proper test
2008-04-09T19:48:37  <dbs> I can share our new test cluster server config with you
2008-04-09T19:49:05  <sylvar> That's awesome, thanks. benostrowsky@gmail.com
2008-04-09T19:49:43  <dbs> haven't had a chance to actually do any load testing with it, but if you want to go the test system > production cluster route, I think our approach is reasonably sound
2008-04-09T19:49:56  <sylvar> yeah, I think that's what they're looking for
2008-04-09T19:50:36  <dbs> (our hosts just finished loading Debian amd64 on the servers yesterday; they loaded x86 32-bit first time around!)
2008-04-09T19:50:49  <dbs> okay, have to go for a bit
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2008-04-09T19:50:58  <sylvar> got a favorite Linux distro for taking advantage of that sort of hardware, or is it pretty much all the same kernel and same multi-whatsit postgres packages?
2008-04-09T19:53:22  <djfiander> it's a good thing my office is in the basement, or I'd be flinging this damned computer over the balcony.
2008-04-09T19:55:14  <sylvar> dbs: OK, I'll talk to you later, thanks!
2008-04-09T20:07:58  <dbs> djfiander: lemme guess, dojo struggles redux?
2008-04-09T20:08:12  <djfiander> "redux" would imply that they returned.
2008-04-09T20:08:14  <djfiander> they never left
2008-04-09T20:08:31  <dbs> ack
2008-04-09T20:09:01  <dbs> do we have all the required functionality in the plain old HTML version yet?
2008-04-09T20:10:29  <djfiander> dbs: what is this "functionality" of which you speak?
2008-04-09T20:10:43  <djfiander> my feeling was, if we've got the framework, why do it twice.
2008-04-09T20:10:52  <djfiander> I'm starting to reconsider that question
2008-04-09T20:11:25  <djfiander> the thing is, it works for miker, but not for me and berick
2008-04-09T20:11:57  <djfiander> I had a bunch of problems, probably because I just starting and only work for a couple-three hours at a time.
2008-04-09T20:12:23  <djfiander> miker_ and berick got into a discussion last night. I think we need to step back a bit.
2008-04-09T20:16:21  <dbs> djfiander: well, the dojo docs are pretty, but sparse; i think there's a hump to get over that miker_ seems to have vaulted over
2008-04-09T20:17:10  <djfiander> yes. I need to stop cribbing from berick  and start from miker_
2008-04-09T20:22:55  <dbs> by functionality, i guess i was just thinking about stuff like - okay, we can build a picklist; can we generate POs and have library/locations attached to each item when they're received?
2008-04-09T20:23:42  <djfiander> dbs: that's what I meant by functionality too...
2008-04-09T20:23:45  <dbs> and all the rest of the logic that will live in the middle layer, that shouldn't have any dojo dependencies
2008-04-09T20:23:54  <dbs> okay :)
2008-04-09T20:25:26  <dbs> me, I'm just an i18n grunt at the moment
2008-04-09T20:26:01  <djfiander> I look forward to working on a project that doesn't involve learning a half-dozen new things ;-)
2008-04-09T20:30:30  <djfiander> hmmm
2008-04-09T20:36:26  <dbs> stupid wifi
2008-04-09T20:38:32  <djfiander> ok, firebug is saying nothing useful.
2008-04-09T20:38:36  <miker_> sorry folks. 2h+ drive home, bedtime for the kiddies, dinner, and now taxes
2008-04-09T20:38:44  <djfiander> safari 3 actually has some interesting debugging features.
2008-04-09T20:39:10  <djfiander> it's reporting "syntax error: parse error" and "value undefined (result of expression ses.requestion is not object.)"
2008-04-09T20:39:20  <djfiander> but not where those problems are occurring
2008-04-09T20:39:35  <miker_> djfiander: re firebug, if you use a <script> tag to load the problem file instead of dojo.require then it'll at least give you line numbers
2008-04-09T20:40:04  <djfiander> miker: all of firebugs windows are _blank_
2008-04-09T20:44:11  <djfiander> ok, using the script tag did something useful for safari...
2008-04-09T20:44:47  <djfiander> but nothing to improve the behaviour of firebug
2008-04-09T20:44:52  <djfiander> time for walkies. back in a few
2008-04-09T20:55:08  <dbs> time for ice cream
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2008-04-09T21:02:14  <berick> djfiander: indeed.  miker_ has a month+ head start on the dojo stuff.. i would recommend taking direction from him.  for now, a lot of what i'm doing is digging
2008-04-09T21:02:45  <djfiander> back. with bourbon in hand.
2008-04-09T21:02:52  <berick> djfiander++
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2008-04-09T21:45:43  <rsinger> why are you all using dojo?
2008-04-09T21:45:53  <djfiander> because miker_ told us to
2008-04-09T21:46:04  <rsinger> good enough reason for me
2008-04-09T21:46:13  <phasefx_> rsinger: fwiw, I voted for ncurses
2008-04-09T21:46:13  <miker_> ha
2008-04-09T21:46:14  <djfiander> that's what I figured
2008-04-09T21:46:42  <rsinger> phasefx_: greenscrape
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2008-04-09T21:47:09  <rsinger> i didn't know if dojo offered some promise that the others didn't
2008-04-09T21:47:10  <phasefx_> rsinger: is that a higher-level framework for ncurses or just a beautiful description of the technology?
2008-04-09T21:47:25  <djfiander> ncurses has the advantage that we don't have to worry about all this fancy "dynamic" shite
2008-04-09T21:47:37  <rsinger> ncurses on rails
2008-04-09T21:47:43  <djfiander> rsinger--
2008-04-09T21:47:48  <rsinger> heh
2008-04-09T21:47:48  <phasefx_> oh, I'd do a GUI in ncurses.. have to have windows and dynamic interfaces
2008-04-09T21:48:01  <djfiander> I was debating inc vs dec for that ;-)
2008-04-09T21:48:15  <djfiander> I'm working on the elisp interface in my spare time
2008-04-09T21:48:25  <phasefx_> like the text version of Microsoft Works
2008-04-09T21:49:05  <rsinger> does dojo offer anything that, say, jquery doesn't?
2008-04-09T21:49:25  <miker_> rsinger: tons of widgets, for one
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2008-04-09T21:49:52  <djfiander> two of which work
2008-04-09T21:51:30  <djfiander> ok. I have NO idea why berick's fund list works and my picklist doesn't :(
2008-04-09T21:55:05  <rsinger> what are you using to edit your js?
2008-04-09T21:55:13  <djfiander> emacs
2008-04-09T21:55:40  <djfiander> I'm afraid to know why that might matter
2008-04-09T21:56:15  <rsinger> well, mainly because it's apparently not working very well for you :)
2008-04-09T21:56:28  <rsinger> have you considered using something like aptana?
2008-04-09T21:57:55  <al> Is this where I could get help getting Opensrf to connect to ejabberd?
2008-04-09T21:58:43  <djfiander> rsinger: I'll try it.
2008-04-09T21:58:43  <rsinger> hey neat:  http://www.aptana.com/jaxer
2008-04-09T21:59:03  <rsinger> djfiander: i've only ever used it for ruby, so i can't vouch for it
2008-04-09T21:59:10  <rsinger> djfiander: but it works well for ruby ;)
2008-04-09T21:59:34  <rsinger> djfiander: but i know that was an afterthought, it was designed to enable html and ajax
2008-04-09T22:00:22  <rsinger> so i'm curious as to how the google books search ajax widget works
2008-04-09T22:00:31  <rsinger> how does it not violate the xss problem?
2008-04-09T22:00:34  <berick> djfiander: so the fund list works within your setup?
2008-04-09T22:00:44  <djfiander> berick: yup
2008-04-09T22:01:32  <rsinger> i should probably eat dinner
2008-04-09T22:01:45  <berick> djfiander: do you know if you are getting data back from the picklist retrieval call?
2008-04-09T22:02:18  <djfiander> berick: in ffox it looks like no.
2008-04-09T22:02:36  <djfiander> safari says that ses.request() didn't return an object.
2008-04-09T22:02:49  <berick> the opensrf.js libs won't work in safari yet
2008-04-09T22:02:59  <djfiander> well, that solves that problem ;-)
2008-04-09T22:03:01  <berick> only FF until the browser checks are added..
2008-04-09T22:03:36  <djfiander> oh wait.
2008-04-09T22:03:57  <djfiander> the problem is the display-blink problem.  Yes the data's arriving. it's just grid display fragility
2008-04-09T22:05:41  <djfiander> and if I put an alert() in the middle of the loop adding data to the store, then it displays fine.
2008-04-09T22:06:17  <phasefx_> hey, a few days ago an alert was preventing a grid from displaying fine :D
2008-04-09T22:06:39  <phasefx_> maybe I should stick with xul for a while :)
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2008-04-09T22:13:03  <EGUEST380> I just finished installing openils on ubuntu 7,10 as per the wiki
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2008-04-09T22:13:25  <dbs> linksys--
2008-04-09T22:14:56  <phasefx_> EGUEST380: excellent.  You have it running?
2008-04-09T22:15:36  <EGUEST380> I feel I am very close to getting it working, However OpenSrf not connecting to ejabberd.
2008-04-09T22:16:19  <EGUEST380> It seems that ejabberd is not quite right.
2008-04-09T22:16:54  <EGUEST380> I am getting nodedown messages.
2008-04-09T22:17:48  <phasefx_> ejabberd errors messages can be cryptic
2008-04-09T22:18:44  <phasefx_> EGUEST380: were you able to register users with ejabberd during the installation without any issues?
2008-04-09T22:18:55  <dbs> ugh. nodedown--
2008-04-09T22:19:26  <EGUEST380> Yes I was.  There were no errors thrown at that point.
2008-04-09T22:20:04  <dbs> EGUEST380: current wisdom says "don't use the FQDN if you don't have to" in ejabberd.cfg, opensrf_core.xml, opensrf.xml
2008-04-09T22:20:36  <dbs> just use localhost
2008-04-09T22:21:13  <dbs> if you can get ejabberd running again, that is - once it goes off the rails, it's hard to get back on :(
2008-04-09T22:22:12  <EGUEST380> Does it make sense to remove it and try to just reinstall ejabberd?
2008-04-09T22:22:31  <rsinger> djfiander: your vendor strikes again:  http://blogs.lib.berkeley.edu/shimenawa.php/2008/04/04/ils_basic_discovery
2008-04-09T22:23:05  <EGUEST380> I feel I got the FQDN right but not at first.
2008-04-09T22:23:33  <djfiander> rsinger: if it was _my_ vendor it wouldn't have abstained :P
2008-04-09T22:23:49  <rsinger> ok, UWO :P
2008-04-09T22:24:03  <rsinger> wtf, "abstain"
2008-04-09T22:24:03  <djfiander> oh, Equinox is listed as an ILS vendor in the current LJ "ILS survey"
2008-04-09T22:24:21  <phasefx_> please deposit $0.25
2008-04-09T22:24:24  <djfiander> rsinger: UWO doesn't own them either. more like the other way 'round.
2008-04-09T22:24:27  <rsinger> djfiander: oh, btw, where you at CiL?
2008-04-09T22:24:33  <rsinger> s/h//
2008-04-09T22:24:34  <djfiander> rsinger: I wish.
2008-04-09T22:24:44  <rsinger> djfiander: no, you didn't miss anything
2008-04-09T22:24:50  <rsinger> djfiander: i was just lied to
2008-04-09T22:25:01  <djfiander> rsinger: by III?
2008-04-09T22:25:04  <rsinger> heh
2008-04-09T22:25:08  <dbs> EGUEST380: possibly; dpkg --purge I think?
2008-04-09T22:25:26  <rsinger> djfiander: well, yes, but i wasn't affected by that
2008-04-09T22:25:27  <phasefx_> purge should get rid of config files
2008-04-09T22:25:54  <rsinger> djfiander: no, mmmmmrob said you were there when i said there wasn't anybody i knew there
2008-04-09T22:26:07  <rsinger> (besides roy, blyberg and kgs)
2008-04-09T22:26:12  <djfiander> He saw me twittering with the many folks that were there.
2008-04-09T22:26:15  <rsinger> ah
2008-04-09T22:26:28  <dbs> djfiander is omni-twitter-present
2008-04-09T22:26:44  <dbs> he was "at" the VALE consortium thing, too, via twitter
2008-04-09T22:26:50  <dbs> creepy!
2008-04-09T22:27:01  <djfiander> I have my spies in high places
2008-04-09T22:27:20  <rsinger> i can't imagine adding another time sink to my repertoire
2008-04-09T22:27:22  <EGUEST380> Thanks I will try the apt-get --purge on ejjaberd and try to install it again.
2008-04-09T22:27:39  <djfiander> rsinger: it's about the same bandwidth as irc ;-)
2008-04-09T22:27:50  <rsinger> djfiander: right, but i've already got irc
2008-04-09T22:27:54  <rsinger> ...and im
2008-04-09T22:28:00  <rsinger> ...and email
2008-04-09T22:28:04  <dbs> EGUEST380: okay. btw, I used the Debian instructions to install on my ubuntu 7.10 system
2008-04-09T22:28:15  <rsinger> ...and google reader
2008-04-09T22:29:00  <EGUEST380> Thanks I will look at those tomorrow. bye for now.
2008-04-09T22:30:01  <dbs> rsinger: you need meth
2008-04-09T22:30:10  <dbs> bye EGUEST380
2008-04-09T22:31:31  <djfiander> well, I've got IM, but nobody IMs me, so that's not a big sink.
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2008-04-09T22:40:11  <rsinger> dbs: been cooking some up in the basement
2008-04-09T22:40:39  <djfiander> ok, weird stuff is going on. firebug is not working the way it was just a while ago (a couple days ago)
2008-04-09T22:45:45  <djfiander> screw it. I shall suffer with the presence of the alerts.
2008-04-09T22:56:18  <djfiander> there. committed.
2008-04-09T22:58:43  <djfiander> bedtime
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2008-04-09T23:42:39  * dbs hits sleepy tim
2008-04-09T23:42:48  <dbs> heh, poor sleepy tim!
2008-04-09T23:42:54  * dbs lights out
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