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2008-04-03T00:39:15  <phasefx_> denials_: you're not up and about by any chance are you?
2008-04-03T00:47:59  <phasefx_> ah, I see what tripped me up.  I was trying to take your vmware image and just load branches/rel_1_2 on it.. and I copied your install.conf and tried make and make install, but that doesn't create the needed setup.pl file in Open-ILS/src/cgi-bin/
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2008-04-03T01:30:48  <phasefx_> denials_: something weird happened with messagecat just now.. we have a property named staff.circ.utils.current_copy.none.. and when I loaded an interface using that, messagecat threw an alert saying it couldn't find the key staff.circ.utils.current_copy.no
2008-04-03T01:31:00  <phasefx_> The key was truncated.  But now I can't reproduce it :)
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2008-04-03T10:40:16  <dbs> there's your answer, phasefx
2008-04-03T11:08:30  <phasefx_> denials_: cool, hope I didn't trample anything
2008-04-03T11:11:45  <dbs> Nope, not at all. Just some useless work on en-CA :)
2008-04-03T11:12:19  <dbs> If you're comfortable, I'll update the en-CA and fr-CA PO in trunk and delete the project files.
2008-04-03T11:12:51  <phasefx_> denials_: whatever makes sense to you.  I'll just en-US from now on :)
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2008-04-03T13:53:04  <dbs> phasefx: dumb question, probably - why are you adding hold interface entities to lang.dtd without any obvious additions of those entities to the XUL?
2008-04-03T13:54:45  <phasefx_> dbs: because I cheat and hoped no one would call shennanigans :(  was editing a copy of trunk that I don't install from.. but to test all my changes, I needed xmlent to read in lang.dtd.. so I used svn as a shortcut for thinking
2008-04-03T13:54:56  <dbs> ahhh
2008-04-03T13:55:17  <phasefx_> should have just copied the lang.dtd into my build and restart services
2008-04-03T13:55:31  <dbs> hey, whatever works :) just wanted to ensure that we weren't going to miss a big chunk o' stuff
2008-04-03T13:55:48  <phasefx_> nah, but normally I would prefer related changes to show up in the same changeset
2008-04-03T13:56:13  <phasefx_> just doing too many things and taking shortcuts :)  phasefx_--
2008-04-03T13:56:21  * dbs can't remember if this is training day or not
2008-04-03T13:56:27  <phasefx_> no training this week
2008-04-03T13:56:50  <phasefx_> next week, Tuesday and Thursday (separate teams, but overlap welcome)
2008-04-03T13:56:58  <dbs> right-o
2008-04-03T13:59:23  <eeevil> http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/04/02/dojo-mini-optimization-tricks-with-the-dojo-toolkit/
2008-04-03T14:00:41  <phasefx_> pinesol`: test
2008-04-03T14:00:41  <pinesol`> phasefx_: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
2008-04-03T14:10:38  <lisppaste6> phasefx pasted "for bill, Holds.pm in trunk" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58540
2008-04-03T14:16:18  <phasefx_> berick: ^^
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2008-04-03T14:37:34  <berick> phasefx_: got it, thanks
2008-04-03T14:38:13  <berick> i'll update dev
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2008-04-03T14:38:54  <dbs> hey ecorrad0, how goes TCNJ's evergreen experimentation?
2008-04-03T14:47:29  <dbs> best barcode I've seen so far: YADAYADAYADA
2008-04-03T14:48:28  <gmcharlt> YADAYADAYADA++
2008-04-03T15:01:27  <berick> bah, drupal errors on dojotoolkit.org
2008-04-03T15:01:44  * berick resists the urge to keep hitting refresh
2008-04-03T15:01:54  <rsinger> is unapi in the production pines opac?
2008-04-03T15:02:22  <berick> rsinger: http://gapines.org/opac/extras/opensearch/1.1/-/html-full?searchOrg=PINES&searchTerms=gone+with+the+wind&searchClass=keyword
2008-04-03T15:02:55  <rsinger> right, ok
2008-04-03T15:02:58  <rsinger> html interface
2008-04-03T15:03:00  <rsinger> not ajax
2008-04-03T15:03:29  <berick> i believe miker_ added support the ajax interface as well, actually, just not sure exactly where it is
2008-04-03T15:03:53  <rsinger> i think the problem is that unapi activating agents can't deal with the ajax
2008-04-03T15:06:34  <dbs> FOOLISH AGENTS!
2008-04-03T15:08:05  <rsinger> further proof that this "semantic web" is nothing more than den of fools and mouth breathers
2008-04-03T15:16:21  <eeevil> it's in there, the problem is that the <abbr>s are added /after/ most scrapers look
2008-04-03T15:16:32  <eeevil> rsinger: what your said :)
2008-04-03T15:17:00  <rsinger> yeah
2008-04-03T15:18:07  <rsinger> of course, this is exactly why conneg is a more sound principle than uf
2008-04-03T15:24:45  <phasefx_> dbs: hey, in the project conifer minutes, what is meant by deletion of bibs inadequate?
2008-04-03T15:57:53  <berick> miker_: i just want a list of stuff with colum headers, dojo grid is the best widget?
2008-04-03T15:58:04  <berick> er.. eeevil
2008-04-03T15:58:23  <eeevil> berick: yep
2008-04-03T15:58:42  <eeevil> you get free sorting, and editing if you want it
2008-04-03T15:58:47  <berick> have you done much with it?  IOW, any example code lying around?
2008-04-03T15:58:50  <berick> nice
2008-04-03T15:58:57  <eeevil> sure have
2008-04-03T15:59:03  <berick> jackpot
2008-04-03T15:59:16  <eeevil> do you have an array of FM objects in memory?
2008-04-03T15:59:25  <berick> dynamic updates are my main issue now
2008-04-03T15:59:37  <berick> eeevil: i will soon enough, just have some test data now
2008-04-03T15:59:46  <eeevil> oh, even better... free updates to the grid via a data store
2008-04-03T16:00:56  <eeevil> if you look at OpenILS/web/conify/global/permission/perm_list.html, that's the most straight-forward grid setup, but if you'd like, I can help you set up a simpler testcase given an array of FM objects
2008-04-03T16:01:40  <berick> for my test, i'm fetching a list of providers, and shoving them into the data store by hand (i'll use your code next).
2008-04-03T16:01:50  <berick> but, telling the grid to recognize the new data is where i'm stuck
2008-04-03T16:02:05  <berick> it recognizes the seed test data fine
2008-04-03T16:02:07  <eeevil> heh ... my code makes it very transparent ... acqpro?
2008-04-03T16:02:16  <berick> yep
2008-04-03T16:02:29  <eeevil> ok ... sec and I'll past something
2008-04-03T16:02:33  <berick> w00t
2008-04-03T16:02:34  <berick> thanks
2008-04-03T16:04:02  <eeevil> so, you have a store?
2008-04-03T16:04:07  <eeevil> what's it called ... js var name
2008-04-03T16:04:12  <dbs> phasefx_: you know, I'm not sur3e
2008-04-03T16:04:24  <berick> eeevil: data :)
2008-04-03T16:04:25  <dbs> (but apparently I'm 1337
2008-04-03T16:04:36  <berick> eeevil: it's a dojo.data.ItemFileReadStore
2008-04-03T16:04:44  <eeevil> berick: that's nice and non-conflicty :)
2008-04-03T16:05:08  <berick> yeah, if anyone else uses this code, we're in trouble
2008-04-03T16:05:10  <eeevil> berick: you'll probably want to use a ItemFileWriteStore with an onSet hanerl
2008-04-03T16:05:16  <eeevil> handler
2008-04-03T16:05:17  <berick> ahh
2008-04-03T16:05:22  <eeevil> for updating
2008-04-03T16:06:12  <eeevil> ok ... I'm just going to pretend that the store is called provider_data :)
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2008-04-03T16:07:51  <eeevil> berick: what fields you want included?
2008-04-03T16:07:58  <eeevil> name, ...?
2008-04-03T16:08:05  <berick> name and currency_type are fine for now
2008-04-03T16:09:17  <eeevil> k
2008-04-03T16:09:28  <eeevil> there are all kinds of good formatting options, btw
2008-04-03T16:10:20  <berick> i love the inline editing
2008-04-03T16:11:43  <eeevil> berick: so, lets assume you just want to show /all/ providers?
2008-04-03T16:12:33  <berick> eeevil: that's fine.  i already have the list of providers coming back from teh ML method, which filters on perm orgs
2008-04-03T16:12:55  <eeevil> k
2008-04-03T16:15:14  <lisppaste6> eeevil pasted "a dojo grid for berick" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58548
2008-04-03T16:17:12  <eeevil> quick store building: var provider_data = new dojo.data.ItemFileWriteStore({ data : acqpro.toStoreData( provider_array ) } );
2008-04-03T16:17:27  <eeevil> after dojo.require('fieldmapper.dojoData')
2008-04-03T16:17:55  <berick> all that remains is an onSet handler for the data store?
2008-04-03T16:19:02  <eeevil> basically, yeah ... I'll anotate
2008-04-03T16:21:19  <lisppaste6> eeevil annotated #58548 with "onSet" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58548#1
2008-04-03T16:22:16  <eeevil> berick: then you add a function to grab items where ischanged == 1 and send the updates. remove is similar, but involves selection stuff on the grid (delete selected button)
2008-04-03T16:23:06  <eeevil> berick: the perm_list.[html|js] does full-on grid handling without mixing in other trees or multiple data stores, so it's a good example, I think
2008-04-03T16:23:35  <berick> one thing i'm still puzzling with is adding new data to the grid after it's built.
2008-04-03T16:23:48  <eeevil> the grp_tree.* stuff has a grid that pulls from 3 stores, and comboboxes that pull from others
2008-04-03T16:24:20  <eeevil> berick: just add the data to the store and call provider_grid.refresh() should be enough
2008-04-03T16:24:29  <berick> ahh, cool
2008-04-03T16:24:44  <eeevil> the store, model and grid are all linked and react to changes
2008-04-03T16:25:11  <berick> nice... thanks, eeevil.
2008-04-03T16:25:20  * berick has good direction now
2008-04-03T16:25:57  <eeevil> it feels like a lot of code, but when you look at what it does, it could be so much worse :)
2008-04-03T16:26:07  <berick> oh my god, yeah
2008-04-03T16:26:47  <phasefx_> berick: you could be using RDF-powered xul templates ;)
2008-04-03T16:26:55  * phasefx_ shudders
2008-04-03T16:27:17  <eeevil> phasefx_: there's an xml store :)
2008-04-03T16:27:30  <dbs> of course, the next staff client will be built on webkit right?
2008-04-03T16:27:37  <eeevil> the ItemFIle stores are json
2008-04-03T16:27:41  <eeevil> dbs: ha! :)
2008-04-03T16:27:42  <phasefx_> I'm still thinking ncurses
2008-04-03T16:38:01  <lisppaste6> eeevil annotated #58548 with "creating the structure up front" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58548#2
2008-04-03T16:38:43  <eeevil> berick: see that if you have a <script> tag doing stuff before the grid gets set up ... at the top of the page, say
2008-04-03T16:39:14  <eeevil> berick: IOW, you can set up the structure ahead of time ... and you can create the model programmatically instead of as markup
2008-04-03T16:39:39  <eeevil> then just have the grid markup to stitch it all toghether
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2008-04-03T16:47:57  <berick> eeevil: what would one do with the provider_model in this case.  sorry, this is all new to me ;)
2008-04-03T16:56:34  <eeevil> berick: grids don't act on stores directly
2008-04-03T16:57:10  <eeevil> so, you take a store and hand it to a model, which provides an abstracted and expanded api for data ... might be a store, might be something else
2008-04-03T16:58:06  <eeevil> the grid takes the model
2008-04-03T16:58:50  <eeevil> and uses that to render the table
2008-04-03T16:58:52  <berick> ok, and the model takes the data store
2008-04-03T16:58:57  <eeevil> right
2008-04-03T16:59:14  <eeevil> in the markup, the model has a store attribute
2008-04-03T16:59:23  <eeevil> and the grid has a model attribute
2008-04-03T16:59:55  <eeevil> the grid also has a structure attribute (or you set one programatically) which defines the layout of the grid
2008-04-03T17:00:20  <eeevil> grids can be really complex, they can have subrows and stuff
2008-04-03T17:00:36  <eeevil> each row in the grid is actually an html table of its own
2008-04-03T17:01:09  <eeevil> and the structure describes how to slot the data into the row template (html table)
2008-04-03T17:01:32  * berick absorbs
2008-04-03T17:03:11  <eeevil> ok ... I gotta drive home
2008-04-03T17:03:29  <eeevil> biab
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2008-04-03T20:30:45  <dbs> okay, I can trigger bad searches at will on biblio-dev
2008-04-03T20:32:39  <dbs> Step 1. Search Everywhere (say, for "source")
2008-04-03T20:33:58  <dbs> Step 2. Search a branch that is itself the parent of two branches (in this case, "Conifer -> Laurentian System -> Laurentian University") for the same keyword as Step 1.
2008-04-03T20:34:16  <dbs> Step 3. Wave at the cylon.
2008-04-03T20:35:12  <dbs> Actually - for that matter, skip step 1 and just go directly to step 2.
2008-04-03T20:39:07  <lisppaste6> dbs pasted "trunk search failure - gateway.log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58565
2008-04-03T20:40:19  <miker_> dbs: there has got to be something wonky with your org hierarchy
2008-04-03T20:40:30  <dbs> miker_: I'll drink to that
2008-04-03T20:40:36  <dbs> lemme dump that into pastebin
2008-04-03T20:40:43  <miker_> k
2008-04-03T20:42:01  <miker_> looks like koha is jumping on the "it's hold, not reserve" bandwagon ... EG is just a trendsetter in OSS ILSs, I guess ;)
2008-04-03T20:42:36  <lisppaste6> dbs annotated #58565 with "osrfsys.log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58565#1
2008-04-03T20:42:46  <dbs> ah - not osrfsys.log, actually :)
2008-04-03T20:43:02  <miker_> yeah
2008-04-03T20:43:12  <miker_> well, you left out one interesting field
2008-04-03T20:43:16  <miker_> ou_type :)
2008-04-03T20:43:38  <miker_> and, if you wouldn't mind dumping actor.org_unit_type as well ... I have another theory :)
2008-04-03T20:43:43  <dbs> shore
2008-04-03T20:44:14  <miker_> this theory deals only with the "aggregate returned more than one row" (which is insane, btw) problem
2008-04-03T20:44:48  <lisppaste6> dbs annotated #58565 with "New, improved - now featuring ou_type!" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58565#2
2008-04-03T20:45:11  <miker_> how about the org_unit_type table :)
2008-04-03T20:45:21  <miker_> I'm concerned with the depth, actually ...
2008-04-03T20:45:38  <miker_> there you go
2008-04-03T20:45:45  <lisppaste6> dbs annotated #58565 with "stock actor.org_unit_type methinks" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58565#3
2008-04-03T20:45:46  <miker_>        2 |  2 |         1 | LAURSYS    | Laurentian System
2008-04-03T20:46:00  <miker_> and        2 |  8 |         2 | LUSYS      | Laurentian University
2008-04-03T20:46:08  <miker_> just as I suspected
2008-04-03T20:46:23  <miker_> same ou_type ...
2008-04-03T20:46:52  <dbs> hrm - so each level of the hierarchy should have a different ou_type?
2008-04-03T20:47:10  <miker_> well, a different depth,
2008-04-03T20:47:24  <miker_> and depth is on the ttype
2008-04-03T20:47:25  <miker_> type
2008-04-03T20:47:30  <dbs> uh-huh
2008-04-03T20:47:44  <miker_> you can have different types of the same depth
2008-04-03T20:49:06  <dbs> so in this case, what I probably want is to create a sub-system type at depth two, for the libraries hanging under the Laurentian System branch
2008-04-03T20:49:09  <miker_> you've marked laursys and lusys as peers by depth, but parent-child by link
2008-04-03T20:49:10  <dbs> hmm
2008-04-03T20:49:55  <dbs> yeah, I hadn't considered the depth column obviously and was assuming everything would magically get figured out by the pure parent-childism
2008-04-03T20:50:12  <miker_> so, what would be the correct "political" term for all the universities under what's called the "laurentian system"
2008-04-03T20:50:38  <dbs> "partners"
2008-04-03T20:51:02  <dbs> Howdy, partner? By the way, would you mind not using barcodes like "30" or "YADAYADAYADA"?
2008-04-03T20:51:14  <miker_> heh... so "partner group" perhaps, instead of "system" ?
2008-04-03T20:51:23  <miker_> hey, that's not me
2008-04-03T20:51:53  <dbs> No, I was just looking for weird barcodes in our system today (and found plenty)
2008-04-03T20:52:02  <miker_> oh
2008-04-03T20:52:03  <miker_> heh
2008-04-03T20:52:03  <miker_> ok
2008-04-03T20:52:17  <miker_> I thought you meant on demo.gapines.org or something
2008-04-03T20:52:27  <dbs> oh no :)
2008-04-03T20:52:57  <miker_> anyway, yeah, so we obviously need to explain the purpose of the OU type system better ;)
2008-04-03T20:53:55  <miker_> ideally, you create a tree of types that model how any orgs can be linked
2008-04-03T20:54:44  <miker_> you can skip layers/levels/depths/whaterver when building the actual ou tree, but not repeat layers/levels/etc in any branch
2008-04-03T20:55:08  <miker_> so, you could have a branch attached the the consortium, but you can't have a branch attached to a branch
2008-04-03T20:55:58  <miker_> and, obviously in your case, branch=>university, system=>partner_group ... or some such
2008-04-03T20:56:31  <dbs> somebody should write some damned docs! oh, wait...
2008-04-03T20:56:33  <miker_> and I guess sub-branch=>special_library ?
2008-04-03T20:56:55  <dbs> yeah, the hierarchy is all f*ed up with our bizarre set of partners
2008-04-03T20:57:02  <miker_> or peers, medical branch, ... something-else-branch
2008-04-03T20:58:12  <dbs> I suspect we'll want to do the impossible; we would ideally be able to group together libraries for searches across related collections in ways that disregard hierarchy entirely
2008-04-03T20:58:23  <miker_> so, I'm sure that will solve your bad SQL problem
2008-04-03T20:58:41  <miker_> ahh... well, that's actually been considered
2008-04-03T20:58:59  <miker_> non-hierarchical "location groups"
2008-04-03T20:59:02  <dbs> yes, I have no doubt that following the intentions of the designers will actually avoid breaking the system :)
2008-04-03T20:59:31  <miker_> heh
2008-04-03T20:59:31  <dbs> that's the idea, yeah - a magic lasso
2008-04-03T20:59:44  <miker_> right ... lets do it
2008-04-03T21:02:47  <miker_> I can't give you an interface for creating groups right now, but I think we can make this happen pretty easily ... one table with an i18n label and a group id, and the a group mapping table
2008-04-03T21:03:20  <miker_> we'll even call the class hint for the label table lasso :)
2008-04-03T21:04:01  <dbs> hah - wow, that would be way too easy
2008-04-03T21:04:29  <miker_> well, we'd have to teach the staged search how to deal with it, but I have a hack for that ;)
2008-04-03T21:05:48  <miker_> pass -1*$lasso_id as the search org ... if the org is <0 then grab the lasso group instead of the hierarchical group :)
2008-04-03T21:06:21  <miker_> let's do this. I need a break from the dang-ol UI code, man
2008-04-03T21:06:24  <miker_> HEP ME!
2008-04-03T21:07:54  <dbs> Have you turned into Dale from King of the Hill?
2008-04-03T21:08:25  * dbs hugs autogen.sh -u
2008-04-03T21:15:44  <miker_> I was thinking james brown, but I guess that would be HEP MEH
2008-04-03T21:18:31  <miker_> so, really, you feel like adding a couple tables to schema.actor.sql?
2008-04-03T21:18:50  <miker_> and I'll teach the search stuff about negative org IDs?
2008-04-03T21:19:42  <dbs> yeah, really
2008-04-03T21:19:59  <dbs> (I've been futzing with org_unit_types and reorganizing the hierarchy - sorry)
2008-04-03T21:20:14  <miker_> ok ... just tell me what you're going to call the mapping table
2008-04-03T21:20:22  <miker_> and field
2008-04-03T21:20:58  <dbs> if I'm going to talk to Armenians about this stuff for a few days I've got to pull my head of of my $1%s, "derriere"
2008-04-03T21:21:20  <miker_> haha
2008-04-03T21:21:20  <djfiander> <- idiot
2008-04-03T21:21:27  <miker_> talk to armenians?
2008-04-03T21:21:27  <djfiander> Just in case you were wondering
2008-04-03T21:21:34  <miker_> djfiander: nah
2008-04-03T21:22:10  <djfiander> miker_: I've lost some shell-scripting chops and managed to screw over my local paster runtime env.
2008-04-03T21:22:13  <djfiander> fixed now, I think
2008-04-03T21:22:29  <djfiander> I'll blame berick for creating new files
2008-04-03T21:22:33  <miker_> haha
2008-04-03T21:22:43  <djfiander> ls -l /openils
2008-04-03T21:22:51  <djfiander> see. Idiot
2008-04-03T21:27:50  <dbs> biab
2008-04-03T21:29:13  <miker_> dbs: like a bull in a china shop, I'm charging ahead ;)
2008-04-03T21:32:53  <dbs> okay - dull table name would be "actor.org_unit_grp"
2008-04-03T21:34:30  <miker_> heh ... I was gonna go with actor.org_lasso and actor.org_lasso_map :)
2008-04-03T21:34:51  <miker_> dbs: if you want to do it I will stop ... I'm just all jumpy now :)
2008-04-03T21:35:47  <djfiander> ok, how do I fix OSRFConfigException: Config value not found: config.opensrf.domain
2008-04-03T21:36:22  <miker_> djfiander: looks like you've got an old opensrf_core.xml
2008-04-03T21:36:37  <djfiander> probably
2008-04-03T21:36:51  <miker_> it probably has (as xpath) //config/opensrf/domains/domain
2008-04-03T21:37:12  <miker_> just unwrap <domain> from <domains>  and you should be good
2008-04-03T21:38:23  <djfiander> and I just remembered how to fix this. I have a shiny backup disk now, with a non-fubared dev env :)
2008-04-03T21:40:50  <djfiander> there
2008-04-03T21:41:27  <miker_> goood
2008-04-03T21:43:43  <berick> djfiander: so, we can now get around the ajax + paster issues i mentioned yesterday.  i made a paster proxy for the osrf-http-gateway.  i have some sample code, but i can't make dojo update my grid
2008-04-03T21:44:05  <djfiander> yeah, I saw the commits for the translator
2008-04-03T21:44:19  <djfiander> but it's nice to see I'm not alone in my gridlessness
2008-04-03T21:44:52  <djfiander> so, dojo officially lives at /js/dojo/dojo/dojo.js ?
2008-04-03T21:45:14  <berick> offically, yes.
2008-04-03T21:45:19  <djfiander> k
2008-04-03T21:45:20  <berick> currently, it's the wild west
2008-04-03T21:46:12  <miker_> whoa
2008-04-03T21:46:18  <miker_> wait ...
2008-04-03T21:46:31  <berick> and, of course, we want to continue (in the pylons) to reference ${c.oils.core.media_prefix}/dojo/... for portablibility
2008-04-03T21:46:33  <miker_>  /js/dojo/dojo/ ???
2008-04-03T21:47:16  <miker_> sorry ... seeing it that way, it looks really redundant ...
2008-04-03T21:47:21  <berick> it does
2008-04-03T21:47:33  <djfiander> miker_: if you look at a true dojo dist, you've got dojo/release-1.1.0/dojo/dojo.js, etc.
2008-04-03T21:47:53  <djfiander> miker_: if you look at a true dojo dist, you've got dojo-release-1.1.0/dojo/dojo.js, etc.
2008-04-03T21:48:03  <miker_> hahaha
2008-04-03T21:48:07  <djfiander> but people take the release out of the dirname
2008-04-03T21:48:15  <djfiander> djfiander--
2008-04-03T21:48:15  <pinesol`> djfiander: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
2008-04-03T21:48:36  <miker_> well, the reduncancy was deliciously ironic :)
2008-04-03T21:49:00  <djfiander> I like to say it a lot
2008-04-03T21:49:06  <djfiander> dojodojodojodojo
2008-04-03T21:49:10  <miker_> so ... I wonder if just putting dojo and dojox and dijit (and fieldmapper) right in /js/ is bad .. probably
2008-04-03T21:49:16  <miker_> heh
2008-04-03T21:49:46  <djfiander> miker_: it means updating three dirs when we change dojo releases instead of just one
2008-04-03T21:50:02  <miker_> meh ... I guess
2008-04-03T21:50:16  <miker_> ok it's just ugly. I can get over that :)
2008-04-03T21:50:36  <djfiander> I had them right in /js, for the reasons you've expressed. but I don't care either.
2008-04-03T21:51:28  <dbs> miker_: dude, go ahead man - A's had a fever for the past few days and I'm in and out as she wakes up
2008-04-03T21:51:40  <miker_> oh noes ...
2008-04-03T21:51:47  <miker_> that's uncool
2008-04-03T21:51:59  <miker_> oh ... I wasn't even trying for that one :P
2008-04-03T21:52:05  <dbs> we're using svn:external for dojo right?
2008-04-03T21:52:07  <miker_> really though ... booo on fever
2008-04-03T21:52:24  <berick> if anyone has any guesses why this grid won't update with new provider data, i'm all ears: http://rafb.net/p/jTGtC565.html
2008-04-03T21:52:28  <dbs> yeah - it was crazy a couple of nights ago, she launched into a febrile seizure
2008-04-03T21:52:43  <berick> dbs: we're not using svn:external right now
2008-04-03T21:52:44  <miker_> dbs: I wouldn't think so ... we want to stick to releases and dist a mini-fied tarball
2008-04-03T21:52:54  <miker_> oh gah!
2008-04-03T21:53:00  <miker_> man!
2008-04-03T21:53:02  <djfiander> dbs: holy crap!
2008-04-03T21:54:15  <dbs> miker_: oh, right - duh, the dojerks don't use tags or branches
2008-04-03T21:55:02  <dbs> yeah, as it turns out febrile seizures run in our family. harmless, but freaky first time around (and worthy of a 5.5 hour emergency department visit)
2008-04-03T21:55:16  <miker_> dbs: well, they have a pile of shrinky tools ... and I figured we'd just shrink a release bundle of what we use and then shove that inside /our/ tarball/deb/rpm
2008-04-03T21:55:39  <miker_> man, yeah... I would not handle that well
2008-04-03T22:09:51  <miker_> berick: you been watching the "magic lasso" discussion?
2008-04-03T22:11:09  <berick> just the tail of the lasso
2008-04-03T22:11:15  * berick reads up
2008-04-03T22:11:47  * dbs desperately tries to find wonder woman references to work in
2008-04-03T22:11:52  <miker_> omg ... washington mutual has (tm) next to the phrase "woo hoo"
2008-04-03T22:12:08  <miker_> dbs: oh, I'm going to use that for the blog post title ;)
2008-04-03T22:12:17  <miker_> dbs: since it will be invisible for now ;)
2008-04-03T22:12:43  <dbs> perfect
2008-04-03T22:16:00  <miker_> dbs: actually, feel free to write a blog post
2008-04-03T22:16:14  * miker_ tries to stop stealing the spotlight
2008-04-03T22:18:31  <dbs> miker_: I'll write something after I've committed something substantive
2008-04-03T22:20:05  <berick> so, i'm curious how these groups will be presented to the user
2008-04-03T22:20:10  <miker_> as opposed to that piddly i18n and build system fixes and documentation and vmware image and evangelizing and general good-guyery?
2008-04-03T22:20:18  <miker_> berick: I have a thought on that :)
2008-04-03T22:21:11  <phasefx2> berick: Library-Bags/Buckets :D :D :D
2008-04-03T22:21:13  <miker_> first, if you are searching an OU that is in a group (captured in a lasso), or more than one, attach those to the bottom of the range dropdown
2008-04-03T22:21:56  <miker_> second, we could have a list/dropdown for all lasso groups in the "choose a library" interface
2008-04-03T22:22:33  <dbs> I was thinking the second approach, for sure
2008-04-03T22:22:36  * dbs ponders the first
2008-04-03T22:23:35  <miker_> dbs: the first is what's been requested before -- though, in the context of "user created" lasso groups ... hrm... maybe ... we generalize this
2008-04-03T22:23:42  <dbs> yeah, that would definitely work
2008-04-03T22:24:05  <miker_> no ... system supplied groups should be special
2008-04-03T22:24:06  <dbs> oh - user lassos, I hadn't thought about
2008-04-03T22:24:07  <miker_> and come first
2008-04-03T22:24:45  <miker_> but user lassos could (should) be done using org unit containers (yes, just like bib record "bookbags" ;) ) ... yeah
2008-04-03T22:24:50  <miker_> ok
2008-04-03T22:24:57  <miker_> we have a plan
2008-04-03T22:25:11  <miker_> or ... we have a plan? eh?
2008-04-03T22:25:53  <dbs> This is all driven by two little tables and a whack-load of miker_'s special sql sauce
2008-04-03T22:25:57  <phasefx_> how would you tweak the copy count display?
2008-04-03T22:26:24  <miker_> dbs: well, by a whack load, it's one extra IF branch :)
2008-04-03T22:26:40  <miker_> hrm...
2008-04-03T22:26:44  <miker_> well, wait ...
2008-04-03T22:27:18  <miker_> use lassos will have to be special ... and I'm not convinced that they are of particular use, actually
2008-04-03T22:27:27  <miker_> s/use/user/
2008-04-03T22:27:51  <phasefx_> My Libraries: common use case, library near my home and library near my school
2008-04-03T22:27:57  <miker_> phasefx: it'll just have to be a single column, with "search group"
2008-04-03T22:28:07  <phasefx_> works for me
2008-04-03T22:29:12  <miker_> phasefx_: I understand on user lassos, but that is a /very/ low impact feature
2008-04-03T22:29:31  <phasefx_> yeah
2008-04-03T22:29:40  <miker_> compared to "search all of our medical libraries" or "all of our geneology libraries"
2008-04-03T22:29:48  <phasefx_> search "collection"
2008-04-03T22:30:20  <djfiander> omg. I would _love_ that feature
2008-04-03T22:30:24  <phasefx_> library facets
2008-04-03T22:30:45  <miker_> phasefx_: "search collection" as a use case, sure, but not the only reason
2008-04-03T22:30:55  <djfiander> <- idiot fanboy, apparently
2008-04-03T22:31:07  <miker_> djfiander: user lassos?
2008-04-03T22:31:10  <dbs> djfiander: user lassos? or centrally defined lassos
2008-04-03T22:31:12  <rsinger> search mah bukket
2008-04-03T22:31:15  <djfiander> user lassos
2008-04-03T22:31:20  <phasefx_> I don't think org lassos could handle search collection like I'm thinking
2008-04-03T22:31:47  <phasefx_> unless folks divide their collections into sub-orgs
2008-04-03T22:31:49  <dbs> phasefx_: need to drill down to location as well?
2008-04-03T22:31:59  <miker_> phasefx_: that depends on what you're thinking, and probably how heavily users leverage the ou_tree
2008-04-03T22:32:01  <miker_> exactly
2008-04-03T22:32:04  <djfiander> if I lived in GA, I'd love to be able to create  a search of a couple of branches in one system and a branch in another.
2008-04-03T22:32:22  <rsinger> yeah, well, i'd love to be able to do that too
2008-04-03T22:32:25  * rsinger grumbles
2008-04-03T22:32:32  <miker_> rsinger: haha
2008-04-03T22:32:40  <phasefx_> some folks are mapping "collection codes" to "shelving locations"... I'm thinking along the lines of "Search my Reference collection", "Search my Fiction", "Search my Sci-Fi/Fantasy section"
2008-04-03T22:32:46  <djfiander> rsinger: that's what I want to do here, since home and work are in different counties.
2008-04-03T22:33:21  <rsinger> somebody get this man an umlaut!
2008-04-03T22:33:28  <miker_> haha
2008-04-03T22:33:32  <miker_> rsinger++
2008-04-03T22:33:43  <djfiander> ok, I'm seeing berick's dojoriffic navigation tree, but my grid is still hosed
2008-04-03T22:33:53  <rsinger> djfiander: well, my county's ibistro is decidely "lasso-free"
2008-04-03T22:34:11  <rsinger> unicorn, lasso-free since 1993!
2008-04-03T22:34:15  <berick> oh god
2008-04-03T22:34:15  <djfiander> rsinger: and who's fault is it you live outside the PINES consortium?
2008-04-03T22:34:20  <berick> i was just thinking the same thing
2008-04-03T22:34:26  <berick> (since 93)
2008-04-03T22:34:31  <berick> <- lame
2008-04-03T22:34:57  <phasefx_> berick: there's a certain equine in a certain server cage that does have a lasso
2008-04-03T22:35:02  <rsinger> djfiander: hey, my library has the largest collection of any in georgia, pines should come to *me*
2008-04-03T22:35:57  <berick> phasefx_:  lasso.. noose.. potato.. potAto
2008-04-03T22:36:05  <miker_> rsinger: if you can't sell your house in the next couple years, you may just get lassos
2008-04-03T22:36:26  <djfiander> you know, it's kinda freaky that a middling-sized process on my macbook uses more real memory than I had storage on the first hard drive I owned.
2008-04-03T22:36:45  <djfiander> <- old idiot fanboy
2008-04-03T22:36:46  <rsinger> interoperability and open lasso champion
2008-04-03T22:37:51  <rsinger> djfiander: firefox on my macbook generally uses >100X more RAM than all the storage on my first computer
2008-04-03T22:38:10  <rsinger> er
2008-04-03T22:38:21  <rsinger> my maths aren't so good
2008-04-03T22:38:27  <rsinger> 10X
2008-04-03T22:38:29  <djfiander> no, I wouldn't think so ;-)
2008-04-03T22:38:33  <djfiander> that's better
2008-04-03T22:38:42  <miker_> rsinger: well, or you're using firebug .. a LOT
2008-04-03T22:38:53  <djfiander> 400-ish meg vm image makes much more sense :D
2008-04-03T22:39:11  <miker_> I had a 1.8G-ish firefox process the other day
2008-04-03T22:39:30  <rsinger> 25x currently
2008-04-03T22:39:42  <djfiander> I give up on textmate. it's missing important stuff, and my fingers are untrainable
2008-04-03T22:39:47  <miker_> "why is bringing an xterm to the foreground causing a swap storm??"
2008-04-03T22:40:02  <rsinger> flock is currently at 545M
2008-04-03T22:40:08  <djfiander> and it's twice the size of emacs
2008-04-03T22:40:34  <miker_> hahaha
2008-04-03T22:40:36  <djfiander> I've got a 800m ffox = 20X 1st
2008-04-03T22:40:43  <miker_> djfiander: there is no such animal
2008-04-03T22:40:58  <djfiander> miker_: no such animal what?
2008-04-03T22:41:03  <miker_> "bigger than emacs" BAH!
2008-04-03T22:41:13  <rsinger> my first HDD was 20GB
2008-04-03T22:41:15  <miker_> djfiander: if that's the case then you certainly arent
2008-04-03T22:41:16  <rsinger> er
2008-04-03T22:41:18  <rsinger> MB
2008-04-03T22:41:20  <rsinger> bah
2008-04-03T22:41:21  <miker_> aren't using enough modes
2008-04-03T22:41:26  <rsinger> moore's law has eaten my brain
2008-04-03T22:41:42  <djfiander> miker_: textmate was running about 54M real mem, right now emacs is 17, but has been up to 24 (I just restarted)
2008-04-03T22:41:55  <djfiander> rsinger: I paid extra for the upgrade to the 40Meg HD.
2008-04-03T22:42:08  <rsinger> djfiander: technically mine was 40 MB
2008-04-03T22:42:12  <miker_> djfiander: sorry .. just joking around ... VIM FOREVER!
2008-04-03T22:42:15  <rsinger> djfiander: but i was running DOS 3.3
2008-04-03T22:42:28  <djfiander> rsinger: xenix/386
2008-04-03T22:42:37  <miker_> xenix! nice
2008-04-03T22:42:52  <djfiander> employee discount :)
2008-04-03T22:42:58  <rsinger> and, apparently, the dude i bought it from didn't bother to format the other partition (DOS 3.3 had a 30MB limit)
2008-04-03T22:43:05  <djfiander> I had a tiny usenet node in my basement
2008-04-03T22:43:11  <djfiander> rsinger: hah!
2008-04-03T22:43:28  <rsinger> 386, fancy
2008-04-03T22:43:34  <rsinger> this was an 8088
2008-04-03T22:43:39  <dbs> rsinger: 20GB? Jeeezz
2008-04-03T22:43:54  <rsinger> dbs: megabytes
2008-04-03T22:44:10  <dbs> I was an assistant sysop for a commodore 64 based bbs with a 20mb hd
2008-04-03T22:44:17  <dbs> ah, that's better
2008-04-03T22:44:23  <djfiander> http://www.isc.org/sources/utils/misc/dup.txt
2008-04-03T22:44:42  <rsinger> dbs: my vic 20's storage was the cassette drive
2008-04-03T22:44:56  <dbs> ah yes, that was the way of my atari 600
2008-04-03T22:45:01  <rsinger> pretty much unlimited, though, in the mid-80's
2008-04-03T22:45:23  <rsinger> and backups were easy (but turn down the speakers on the dual cassette deck)
2008-04-03T22:45:33  <dbs> :)
2008-04-03T22:45:45  <dbs> lou reed's metal machine music redux
2008-04-03T22:46:21  <rsinger> dbs: what the 600 the one with the flat keyboard?
2008-04-03T22:46:58  <rsinger> s/what/was/
2008-04-03T22:47:03  <rsinger> like a plastic sheet over buttons?
2008-04-03T22:47:10  <dbs> no, that was the 400
2008-04-03T22:47:17  <rsinger> ah
2008-04-03T22:47:21  <dbs> the 600 was basically the 400 with a real keyboard
2008-04-03T22:47:21  <rsinger> that seemed dreadful
2008-04-03T22:47:36  <rsinger> i can't imagine typing on that
2008-04-03T22:47:54  <dbs> all the magazines duly noted how you could spill a drink on it
2008-04-03T22:48:01  <rsinger> haha
2008-04-03T22:48:04  <rsinger> and should
2008-04-03T22:48:35  <rsinger> my best friend had a timex/sinclair *and* a trs/80
2008-04-03T22:48:48  <rsinger> if he didn't live in a trailer, you'd think he was living in luxury
2008-04-03T22:48:57  <rsinger> but, he lived in a trailer
2008-04-03T22:49:30  <berick> changes everything
2008-04-03T22:49:42  <rsinger> berick: context is key
2008-04-03T22:49:46  <djfiander> depends.... was it a double-wide?
2008-04-03T22:49:58  <rsinger> no
2008-04-03T22:50:16  <rsinger> *and* it was in his grandparents' back yard
2008-04-03T22:50:21  <djfiander> heh
2008-04-03T22:50:35  <rsinger> welcome to ooltewah, tn, y'all!
2008-04-03T22:50:49  <berick> "that Def Leppard shirt doesn't have the same kitsch feel when you /actually/ live in a trailor"
2008-04-03T22:50:56  <rsinger> well, really that should be "y'uns!"
2008-04-03T22:53:54  <lisppaste6> dbs pasted "miker_: belated proposed schema" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58571
2008-04-03T22:55:12  <miker_> dbs: very close to mine , but I gave the map table a surrogate key
2008-04-03T22:55:31  <rsinger> berick: i actually saw def leppard with this friend
2008-04-03T22:56:02  <dbs> miker_: you do love those surrogate keys!
2008-04-03T22:56:06  <berick> rsinger: hahaa.. i saw them at music midtown one year
2008-04-03T22:56:13  <berick> my wife and I
2008-04-03T22:56:29  <miker_> dbs: well, I love making CRUD easy ;)
2008-04-03T22:56:43  <dbs> actually, I suppose I should add a unique (lasso_id, org_unit) in there
2008-04-03T22:56:51  <dbs> miker_: no, it makes sense
2008-04-03T22:57:47  <dbs> hah - just saw your commit come across the wire
2008-04-03T22:57:57  <miker_> "doesn't that break 3rd normal form?" "yes, but now I can actually use the table as an object store, you dim wit" ;)
2008-04-03T22:58:28  <miker_> dbs: yeah ... I'll toss a unique index on that
2008-04-03T23:04:47  <rsinger> berick: a mere 20 years after i did!
2008-04-03T23:05:06  <rsinger> and on that sobering note, i should go to bed
2008-04-03T23:05:49  <berick> don't get Photograph stuck in your head while you sleep!
2008-04-03T23:06:36  <miker_> berick: now that's just evil
2008-04-03T23:06:36  <djfiander> ok, bedtime
2008-04-03T23:06:55  *** djfiander has quit IRC
2008-04-03T23:09:34  <rsinger> berick: bastard.  first toni braxton, then this?
2008-04-03T23:12:24  <berick> he shoots, he scores ;)
2008-04-03T23:12:39  <berick> that was evil, but i gotta pass this disease on ;)
2008-04-03T23:14:30  <berick> omg, i have a grid rendering data
2008-04-03T23:14:34  <berick> after it's all fetched, which is fine
2008-04-03T23:22:14  <dbs> woohoo!
2008-04-03T23:28:27  <miker_> berick: what was the missing piece
2008-04-03T23:40:57  <berick> eeevil: i switched to creating the grid programatically, seemed like the easiest way to get where i was going.. took some groping around
2008-04-03T23:41:57  <berick> and with that..
2008-04-03T23:41:58  * berick out
2008-04-03T23:43:41  * dbs looks sideways at org_unit_types.cgi
2008-04-03T23:59:10  <miker_> dbs: don't make it angry, man!
2008-04-03T23:59:27  <dbs> when you try to remove a checkbox (from say can_have_vols), and update the selected row, the can_have_vols value isn't passed at all
2008-04-03T23:59:58  <dbs> which means it all comes down to the behaviour of actor::org_unit_type->can_have_vols() with null input