2008-03-28T02:15:26 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T06:59:09 *** ibbo has quit IRC 2008-03-28T07:04:20 *** ibbo has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-28T08:09:58 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T08:14:06 cha-ching++ 2008-03-28T08:36:22 *** ibb1 has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-28T08:37:16 *** ibbo has quit IRC 2008-03-28T08:38:38 *** dbs has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-28T09:49:40 dbs: hey, one feature request for academic reserves: ability to select/request alternate titles. Does that mean anything to you? I'm going to get back in touch with that person and get a use case 2008-03-28T10:46:41 phase_bb: that doesn't make sense to me, no 2008-03-28T11:14:30 *** Mark__T has left #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T11:52:51 oh hey, we want alternate reserves! :) 2008-03-28T11:53:27 in our public library context, "alternate reserves" are a hold placed on multiple items, where any one of the items being pulled is sufficient to satisfy the hold. 2008-03-28T11:54:35 so, rather than just a hold on a work that gets met by the book in paperback or hardcover, this would be a hold where any one of a handful of titles would satisfy the reserve. 2008-03-28T11:55:11 like, "i want one of these three books on cats." 2008-03-28T11:58:15 jeff: that's a metarecord hold in EG 2008-03-28T11:58:18 oh, well 2008-03-28T11:58:19 wait 2008-03-28T11:58:39 same title, different format/edition is metarecord hold 2008-03-28T11:58:42 right 2008-03-28T11:58:48 this is arbitrary items. 2008-03-28T11:59:11 yeah, there's been some discussion of that, but no specific progress ... I have ideas, though :) 2008-03-28T11:59:17 good :) 2008-03-28T12:00:07 basically, you place a hold on a bookbag, and it works exactly like a metarecord hold -- "first item from one of these records is fine" 2008-03-28T12:00:32 say, if i'm working on feature requests... do you guys have any guidelines/preference as to what gets included in said request? any examples of "now THIS is a well-laid-out feature request" 2008-03-28T12:01:20 that is different from "place holds on all the contents of this bookbag" though ... so maybe it should be a container type other that bookbag ... like "title group hold bag" or something :) 2008-03-28T12:01:57 "place holds on all the contents of this book bag" is placing an independent hold on each item, right? 2008-03-28T12:02:03 yes 2008-03-28T12:02:27 which is yet again different from "treat this bookbag like a netflix queue" 2008-03-28T12:02:30 :) 2008-03-28T12:02:45 there are lots of cool things to come :) 2008-03-28T12:04:15 jeff: this is the policy we built for PINES, before other stakeholders existed. just replace PINES with "the evergreen community" :) http://open-ils.org/documentation/feature_request_procedure.html 2008-03-28T12:04:56 miker_: great! thanks! 2008-03-28T12:05:33 we're not so strict as the document suggests, of course, but we needed to provide some structure to the request process 2008-03-28T12:06:15 phase_bb: i have never heard of that in the context of academic reserves 2008-03-28T12:06:35 yeah, i was looking for some structure to start from. 2008-03-28T12:07:22 yeah, that doesn't seem like a good idea in general for reserves ... reserves (I thought) were about "read this exact thing" 2008-03-28T12:07:27 but ... maybe not? 2008-03-28T12:10:07 are you making a distinction between "holds" and "reserves"? we've always called them reserves, evergreen (and others) call them holds... 2008-03-28T12:10:08 * rsinger steps back, since he's not sure what meaning of 'reserves' are being used anymore 2008-03-28T12:10:53 heh. i was afraid of that. 2008-03-28T12:11:22 * rsinger certainly doesn't understand the public library meaning of the term. 2008-03-28T12:13:14 in our public library, a "reserve" is placed on an item (usually one that is currently checked out to someone else) so that when the book comes back in, it is placed on a shelf waiting for the patron, instead of being re-shelved. the patron with the reserve is notified, and they can come pick it up, or it ends up back on the shelf if they never claim it. 2008-03-28T12:13:26 i believe this is what evergreen calls "holds". 2008-03-28T12:13:42 i'm assuming that "academic reserves" are different 2008-03-28T12:13:52 jeff: in EG, holds are "I want one of those, please" -- a request placed (generally) by a patron, sometimes through staff. reserves are an academic function whereby a prof requests that an item stay available to his/her students during a specified time period 2008-03-28T12:14:25 okay, i was guessing that an academic reserve was something like that. 2008-03-28T12:14:56 i don't know how alternate titles in an academic reserve would work. i know how i want alternate titles in a hold to work. ;) 2008-03-28T12:15:49 so, i'm right in adjusting my terminology to favor "holds". good. 2008-03-28T12:16:56 sorry if i introduced confusion, but it's worth it if i got miker_ thinking about our concept of alternate holds. :) 2008-03-28T12:18:46 jeff: we've been thinking about it :) 2008-03-28T12:21:37 dbs++ 2008-03-28T12:29:27 ? 2008-03-28T12:30:00 oh, reserves 2008-03-28T12:32:52 dbs: the inc was for the list post :) 2008-03-28T12:33:02 ah 2008-03-28T12:33:07 but learnin' me reserves deservses one too 2008-03-28T12:33:10 \o/ 2008-03-28T12:33:11 dbs++ 2008-03-28T12:39:51 * rsinger sort of wonders how this namespace clash exists given that we all use the same ILSes 2008-03-28T12:41:21 fwiw, i think koha calls 'holds' 'reserves' - blame koha 2008-03-28T12:41:23 :) 2008-03-28T12:41:32 when in doubt 2008-03-28T12:42:40 notice the distance of my 10' pole ;) 2008-03-28T12:43:21 ok, so i'm surprised this hasn't come up in the context of koha 2008-03-28T12:46:28 i wonder what polaris calls them 2008-03-28T12:47:16 rsinger: what does alto(?) call them? 2008-03-28T12:47:33 i have no idea 2008-03-28T12:48:07 my coworkers don't refer to them as reserves, though 2008-03-28T12:48:20 of course, they don't call it an ILS, either 2008-03-28T12:49:23 ILP? 2008-03-28T12:51:14 apparently they call them "reservations" 2008-03-28T12:51:17 LMS 2008-03-28T12:51:27 chuckle ILP 2008-03-28T12:51:51 http://www.talis.com/applications/services/docs/alto/4.2/WebHelp/cir/reservations_overview.htm 2008-03-28T12:52:05 i never realized that our manuals are all public 2008-03-28T13:38:20 *** ibb1 has quit IRC 2008-03-28T16:22:54 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-03-28T19:21:24 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-28T19:24:35 *** rsinger__ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-28T19:24:38 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-03-28T19:41:11 *** rsinger_ has quit IRC 2008-03-28T19:44:25 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-03-28T19:53:57 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T20:29:06 *** zeki has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T20:29:14 hi 2008-03-28T20:29:45 could you please help me? 2008-03-28T20:30:11 about installing evergreen on ubuntu 2008-03-28T20:33:26 is there anybody here? 2008-03-28T20:46:18 *** zeki has quit IRC 2008-03-28T20:46:33 *** zeki has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T20:46:49 hi 2008-03-28T20:47:25 hu huuu 2008-03-28T20:47:33 knock knock 2008-03-28T20:47:45 are you there? 2008-03-28T20:59:05 *** zeki has quit IRC 2008-03-28T23:13:26 *** IndianaStateLibr has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-28T23:14:01 *** IndianaStateLibr is now known as atgsupsup 2008-03-28T23:14:17 anyone around on this fine evening? 2008-03-28T23:14:58 atgsupsup: I'm here.. catching up on email, etc. How's it going? 2008-03-28T23:15:19 pretty well. i am researching this catalog software... 2008-03-28T23:15:36 i was just curious what i'm getting into 2008-03-28T23:16:17 i wasn't sure if it was SQL, C, or what? 2008-03-28T23:16:28 adventure, excitement, deadly peril :D 2008-03-28T23:17:22 well, my brother works for the state library down here and they have him doing some research on evergreen. 2008-03-28T23:17:38 it's a combination of technologies, that includes a service oriented architecture, a distributable relational database, and rapid development in many languages such as C, Perl, Python, Java, etc. 2008-03-28T23:19:06 the framework is basically language agnostic, but the bulk of the ILS part of evergreen is written in Perl and C, with the clients using javascript