2008-03-27T00:00:49  <lisppaste6> dbs pasted "Consistent error when searching for diacritics" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58079
2008-03-27T00:01:21  <dbs> to the Biblio.pm!
2008-03-27T00:02:23  <miker_> meh ... that's estimated_hit_count not getting filled in
2008-03-27T00:02:30  <miker_> bad berick! :)
2008-03-27T00:02:55  <dbs> poor berick
2008-03-27T00:02:58  <miker_> (it's not supposed to be filled in if the full hit count is known)
2008-03-27T00:03:07  <dbs> red herring then
2008-03-27T00:03:30  <miker_> that'll happen on any "small" search
2008-03-27T00:03:38  <dbs> hah
2008-03-27T00:05:24  <lisppaste6> dbs annotated #58079 with "from osrfsys.log - c-cedille should get a better representation than \ufffd" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/58079#1
2008-03-27T00:05:34  <dbs> I think this is getting closer to the real problem
2008-03-27T00:05:47  <dbs> c-cedille == ç
2008-03-27T00:06:22  <miker_> ahh... yeah, that's an issue :)
2008-03-27T00:06:51  <dbs> should be \u00E7
2008-03-27T00:07:35  <miker_> what does the URL show? should be <percent>E7, obviously
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2008-03-27T00:10:16  <dbs> C3A7 (delimited by percent signs) - iso-8859-1 probably
2008-03-27T00:10:44  <miker_> hrm... what browser?
2008-03-27T00:11:13  <miker_> konq has "always treat data as latin1 even if the page says utf8" issues ... or did, until recently
2008-03-27T00:11:37  <dbs> firefox, sorry
2008-03-27T00:14:23  <dbs> Ah crap, that's right
2008-03-27T00:14:41  <dbs> C3A7 = UTF-8 encoding
2008-03-27T00:15:36  <dbs> 00E7 = Unicode character
2008-03-27T00:15:47  <miker_> yeah
2008-03-27T00:16:01  <dbs> so it seems that middle layer isn't decoding the URL properly
2008-03-27T00:16:14  <miker_> somewhere, yeah
2008-03-27T00:17:24  <miker_> but ... looking, I can't find a single difference in the FTS portion of storage ... so, I'm going to start moving up the stack
2008-03-27T00:19:25  <miker_> arg ... dbs: wanna try something live?
2008-03-27T00:19:30  <dbs> shore
2008-03-27T00:20:25  <miker_> comment out line 456 in /openils/lib/perl5/OpenILS/Application/Search/Biblio.pm
2008-03-27T00:21:40  <dbs> restarting perl
2008-03-27T00:21:46  <miker_> berick took my original mod_perl-based implementation of the advanced query syntax parser an plugged it in, but mod_perl needs to call decode_utf8.  opensrf is all utf8 all the time, so none of that silliness is required :)
2008-03-27T00:21:57  <dbs> ding ding ding
2008-03-27T00:22:02  <miker_> yeah.
2008-03-27T00:22:04  <dbs> miker_ wins the prize
2008-03-27T00:22:04  <miker_> dang
2008-03-27T00:22:21  <dbs> miker_++
2008-03-27T00:22:22  <miker_> k. good
2008-03-27T00:22:28  <miker_> I'll commit that
2008-03-27T00:27:51  <miker_> head updated ... fixing 1.2 now :)
2008-03-27T00:28:58  <dbs> sorry for being a whiny canuck
2008-03-27T00:29:33  <miker_> nonono! that had been bugging me ... I /knew/ there was something off ... and what I'd seen was with diacritics
2008-03-27T00:29:47  <miker_> that finally helped me track it down
2008-03-27T00:30:57  <miker_> dbs++
2008-03-27T00:32:02  <dbs> much obliged
2008-03-27T00:32:59  <miker_> one buglet down...
2008-03-27T00:40:55  <miker_> dbs: feel like tackling the ** problem?
2008-03-27T00:41:06  <dbs> sure, I can sleep in
2008-03-27T00:41:15  <miker_> hah ..k, sec
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2008-03-27T00:55:01  <miker_> dbs: ok ... update your trunk svn and reload the 300.schema.staged_search.sql file
2008-03-27T00:55:43  <miker_> I don't have any handy test records :(
2008-03-27T00:56:14  <miker_> hrm... well
2008-03-27T00:56:18  <dbs> miker_: well, I get zero hits
2008-03-27T00:56:26  <miker_> yeah :(
2008-03-27T00:56:31  <dbs> better than an endless spinner
2008-03-27T00:57:47  <miker_> well, not really :)
2008-03-27T00:58:38  <dbs> It's minor, but if something is going to fail I'd prefer it to fail immediately, rather than waiting in hope
2008-03-27T00:59:00  <miker_> heh
2008-03-27T01:08:46  <miker_> ok ... got it
2008-03-27T01:08:52  <miker_> I think
2008-03-27T01:09:38  <miker_> update if you're feeling saucy, or later if not
2008-03-27T01:12:54  <dbs> I'm feeling saucy (and tired)
2008-03-27T01:13:37  <miker_> heh ... the require field phrase search (sans **s) brings stuff back on biblio-dev :)
2008-03-27T01:14:07  <miker_> those must be "brief records" that got promoted to opac visible somehow
2008-03-27T01:14:09  <dbs> yep - 41 hits if I'm not mistaken
2008-03-27T01:14:14  <miker_> indeed
2008-03-27T01:14:29  <dbs> It's updated, still seems to result in zero hits :(
2008-03-27T01:14:45  <dbs> cache?
2008-03-27T01:14:50  <miker_> ahh...yes
2008-03-27T01:16:07  <dbs> try again
2008-03-27T01:16:28  <dbs> argh
2008-03-27T01:16:30  <miker_> hrmm... it made dev happy :(
2008-03-27T01:16:56  <dbs> now searching on "required field" returns no hits as well
2008-03-27T01:16:57  <dbs> weird
2008-03-27T01:17:06  <dbs> OH
2008-03-27T01:17:15  <dbs> searching on subject - not useful
2008-03-27T01:17:16  <miker_> very ... that /just/ worked for me on yours
2008-03-27T01:17:20  <miker_> heh
2008-03-27T01:17:35  <dbs> yep - works great as a keyword search
2008-03-27T01:17:36  <dbs> dbs--
2008-03-27T01:17:36  <pinesol`> dbs: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
2008-03-27T01:17:43  <dbs> screw you, pinesol
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2008-03-27T07:41:53  <berick> man, my ears are burnin
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2008-03-27T09:15:57  <EGUEST091> Good morning. I work for a firm interested in deploying Evergreen for our in-house library. We're interested in hiring someone to help with the initial setup, simple configuration changes and administative training. Anyone interested, please contact me at 'escaped_introvert@yahoo.com'. Thank you.
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2008-03-27T13:09:57  <miker_> rsinger: http://dev.gapines.org/atompub/actor/user/1
2008-03-27T13:10:16  <rsinger> i <3 u
2008-03-27T13:10:52  <miker_> http://dev.gapines.org/atompub/biblio/record_entry/1
2008-03-27T13:10:53  <rsinger> miker_: i've been working on the same thing for openbiblio (since it was easy to get running)
2008-03-27T13:11:23  <miker_> not sure if that's what we're going for ... wiring up authentication should be easy with basic-auth
2008-03-27T13:11:45  <rsinger> i'm not sure what we're going for, either :)
2008-03-27T13:11:55  <rsinger> i mean, it's been a one sided conversation so far
2008-03-27T13:14:23  <miker_> well, this is just dumping the json into an atom wrapper ... and the input/output isn't actually interesting to me. I'm more interested in the 90 line mod_perl...
2008-03-27T13:16:37  <miker_> rsinger: http://dev.gapines.org/AtomPubGateway.txt
2008-03-27T13:16:50  <rsinger> heh
2008-03-27T13:17:01  <rsinger> i didn't envision the connector producing atom
2008-03-27T13:17:07  <rsinger> although, obv. it could
2008-03-27T13:17:13  <miker_> sure
2008-03-27T13:17:50  <miker_> I'm actually not thinking about the connector ... the evergreen dev site just happens to be a running opensrf instance with some data behind it
2008-03-27T13:18:17  <miker_> so, this was just "how hard is it to produce and consume Atom using apache as a gateway to opensrf"
2008-03-27T13:18:55  <miker_> and the answer is "easy" :)
2008-03-27T13:20:22  <rsinger> good ;)
2008-03-27T13:20:38  <rsinger> i mean, that's a pretty strong endorsement of this plan, then, i would think
2008-03-27T13:20:39  <miker_> so, inside the atom jangle facade, we'd just call jangle opensrf apps instead of evergreen's cstore app ... or, if we wanted a full fledged DB thingy that talks opensrf already, and is fairly bug-free, we could reuse cstore ... but that's all details right now
2008-03-27T13:20:59  <rsinger> right
2008-03-27T13:21:31  <rsinger> i don't envision a universe where a shop would use jangle over a well-designed sophisticated middleware
2008-03-27T13:21:37  <rsinger> more, in lieu of
2008-03-27T13:22:14  <miker_> I think it is ... I mean, 80% of the non-apache code and the non-atom code is evergreen bootstrapping ... the opensrf bits are "OpenSRF::System->bootstrap_client(...)" and "OpenSRF::AppSession->create/request"
2008-03-27T13:22:43  <rsinger> nice
2008-03-27T13:22:47  <miker_> I think it is an endorsment, I mean
2008-03-27T13:23:08  <miker_> but ... I don't follow "I don't envision" ... I mean, I hit a parser error :)
2008-03-27T13:23:14  <miker_> (brb)
2008-03-27T13:25:19  <rsinger> the way i look at it is that if evergreen (or voyager or polaris or whatever), has a sophisticated API, that would probably be the better solution for specific, local problems
2008-03-27T13:25:28  <rsinger> since most ILSes *don't* seem to have that
2008-03-27T13:25:53  <rsinger> this is a moot point
2008-03-27T13:26:26  <rsinger> i would like to see jangle as a useful way to interact with library systems
2008-03-27T13:26:34  <rsinger> but right now i'm happy with "working and consistent"
2008-03-27T13:29:24  <miker_> indeed ... of course, given comments from some vendors, a sophisticated API will probably not be forthcoming
2008-03-27T13:29:59  <miker_> so I think the risk of becoming obsolete in the short term is next to nil
2008-03-27T13:30:56  <miker_> and you still have to have a bridge to the other systems ... course reserves, student information, etc, and they haven't exactly settled on an API :)
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2008-03-27T16:30:28  <Hukos> Hello.
2008-03-27T16:30:34  <dbs> Hi
2008-03-27T16:30:55  <Hukos> Anything happening?
2008-03-27T16:31:16  <rsinger> miker_: you should post your thing to jangle-discuss
2008-03-27T16:31:39  <dbs> Hukos: I'm tired after last night.
2008-03-27T16:31:50  <Hukos> What happened last night?
2008-03-27T16:32:26  <dbs> Helped miker_ locate some niggling bugs in trunk
2008-03-27T16:32:47  <Hukos> I see.
2008-03-27T16:32:58  <Hukos> What were those bugs exactly? If you don't mind of course. >_>
2008-03-27T16:35:54  <dbs> Oh, not at all. Searching for characters with diacritics was failing because the character was getting double-decoded.
2008-03-27T16:36:30  <dbs> And searching for some characters with special meaning to postgresql fts (like "**") was failing because the input wasn't being handled properly.
2008-03-27T16:36:53  <Hukos> I see.
2008-03-27T16:36:57  <Hukos> And unfortunately
2008-03-27T16:36:58  <dbs> Oh, and after this, my daughter started throwing up around 1:30 am
2008-03-27T16:37:01  <Hukos> I must be leaving.
2008-03-27T16:37:04  <Hukos> Sorry to hear that.
2008-03-27T16:37:11  <Hukos> Hope she gets to feeling better.
2008-03-27T16:37:15  <dbs> Come by any time
2008-03-27T16:37:20  <Hukos> Anyway, seeya!
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2008-03-27T17:50:38  <Hukos> Back.
2008-03-27T18:01:02  <Hukos> And gone again, unfortunately. :(
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2008-03-27T18:08:58  <miker_> rsinger: I will post that and some responses to other threads tonight
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2008-03-27T19:10:42  <nightmorph> how appropriate would evergreen be for a library system of 35 branches, and a circulation of about 5 million per year?
2008-03-27T19:10:55  <nightmorph> overkill?
2008-03-27T19:11:16  <miker_> I'd say very appropriate
2008-03-27T19:11:55  <miker_> it's going into production in a much smaller library system soon
2008-03-27T19:11:57  <nightmorph> k. i read the freshmeat page that suggested "hundreds of branches"
2008-03-27T19:12:11  <miker_> well, it scales fine to that size
2008-03-27T19:12:12  <nightmorph> and well, we only have about 33 + 2 mobile libraries in the county
2008-03-27T19:12:48  <miker_> but it scales down fine as well
2008-03-27T19:13:07  <nightmorph> good to know!
2008-03-27T19:14:27  <miker_> equinox (disclaimer: I'm a founder, and also the DB guy and designer for Evergreen) is running it with about 25k titles on a laptop (two independent ones, actually) as demos at PLA right now
2008-03-27T19:15:04  <miker_> <shameless plug> http://esilibrary.com </shameless plug>
2008-03-27T19:15:34  <nightmorph> wow
2008-03-27T19:15:57  <miker_> http://kcplinnovations.blogspot.com/ <- blog of a small library that's going live soon
2008-03-27T19:16:13  <nightmorph> see, i've been reading the success stories of places like georgia and maryland that successfully use foss for their library systems, and i've been talking with the IT folks for my county system
2008-03-27T19:16:52  <nightmorph> evergreen for the staff PCs (not necessarily even linux-based) and groovix for public PCs sounds like a winning combination to me
2008-03-27T19:17:25  <nightmorph> alas, i've been running into the wall that is known as Northrop-Grumman Support Contracts and the upcoming Vista Upgrade
2008-03-27T19:17:35  <nightmorph> we use Millennium
2008-03-27T19:17:43  <nightmorph> so...yeah :)
2008-03-27T19:17:50  <miker_> :)
2008-03-27T19:18:08  <nightmorph> we stopped using DRA in 2004
2008-03-27T19:18:14  <miker_> oh dear
2008-03-27T19:18:15  <miker_> wow
2008-03-27T19:18:35  <nightmorph> and millennium...well, as i tell my coworkers, "there's a *reason* why enterprise apps should not be written in java"
2008-03-27T19:18:54  <miker_> haha ... yeah
2008-03-27T19:19:01  <nightmorph> hey, the other big library system in the county still uses DRA. now they get to use a graphical version; they just upgraded
2008-03-27T19:19:23  <nightmorph> they haven't been able to join the Circuit with the colleges because apparently DRA won't work with it
2008-03-27T19:19:25  <miker_> hehe
2008-03-27T19:19:31  <nightmorph> Millennium does...i assume evergreen would too
2008-03-27T19:19:40  <miker_> well, that's no laughing matter, really...
2008-03-27T19:20:06  <miker_> depends on how it expect to interoperate, but it can be done, I'm sure
2008-03-27T19:20:24  <miker_> fwiw, migrating from millenium isn't too bad, as migrations go
2008-03-27T19:20:27  <miker_> ;)
2008-03-27T19:21:15  <nightmorph> good to hear. in my dream world, migration wouldn't be the problem..it's retraining the staff
2008-03-27T19:21:45  <miker_> training is always an issue, yes
2008-03-27T19:22:23  <nightmorph> and acquisitions, too. i've been poking around to see what evergreen still needs
2008-03-27T19:22:45  <miker_> well, ACQ is underway, as I'm sure you've seen
2008-03-27T19:23:02  <nightmorph> yeah
2008-03-27T19:23:04  <miker_> we're expecting late spring to have v1
2008-03-27T19:23:08  <nightmorph> 1.4 looks exciting
2008-03-27T19:23:15  <nightmorph> but 2.0 is more so :)
2008-03-27T19:23:20  <miker_> :) indeed
2008-03-27T19:23:31  <miker_> ahh... you found the roadmap jason put up recently!
2008-03-27T19:23:37  <nightmorph> heck, only 3 of our branches can do credit card payments, and that's outside of our ILS
2008-03-27T19:23:44  <nightmorph> aye! i'm browsing speedily
2008-03-27T19:24:55  <nightmorph> question on 1.4 circulation rules. are they implemented at all, currently? like, reference materials get their own loan rule for Lib use only, etc.
2008-03-27T19:25:13  <nightmorph> or is this a different planned feature entirely
2008-03-27T19:26:56  <nightmorph> it could just be something i don't understand. i'm a circ desk staff monkey, not someone in IT, assembling Millennium and features.
2008-03-27T19:26:56  <miker_> arg sorry ... 90gal fish tank decided it wanted to leak for a minute!
2008-03-27T19:27:14  <miker_> oh, yes ... the circ rules are implemented!
2008-03-27T19:27:21  <nightmorph> :)
2008-03-27T19:27:41  <miker_> before 1.4 they were in backend rules files
2008-03-27T19:27:50  <miker_> outside the database
2008-03-27T19:28:01  <nightmorph> ah
2008-03-27T19:28:16  <miker_> ultimate flexiblity, but not ideal for admin ... simple, but not web-ified
2008-03-27T19:28:46  <nightmorph> apparently, our rules person at HQ says that creating and revising rules in Mill. is extremely painful, hence why they're so slow to add new ones. hoepfully the experience is better with evergreen
2008-03-27T19:28:59  <miker_> so, we've taken all the rules that have been written, generalized them to make it easy to put into the database, and ... well, put them in the database :)
2008-03-27T19:31:22  <miker_> I can say with some assurance that even the file-based circ and hold rules are easier in EG than III ... but 1.4 will make it point and click simple without giving up any of the power (for all the real-world configs that we've seen)
2008-03-27T19:31:41  <nightmorph> oh, i *like* that idea
2008-03-27T19:32:06  <miker_> the UI for that is what I've been neck deep in for the last couple weeks ... dojo++
2008-03-27T19:32:22  <nightmorph> afaict, EG can do everything III can, and a few more things (eventually), like serials
2008-03-27T19:32:50  <nightmorph> heck, serials isn't an obstacle for my system. only 3 branches bother to use a serials tracker, and they use Sagebrush for that
2008-03-27T19:33:13  <nightmorph> by golly, using EG makes so much sense. i need to talk sense into library IT
2008-03-27T19:33:23  <miker_> ahhh ... I've heard from some that III's serials module is great, but I haven't seen it
2008-03-27T19:33:35  <miker_> awesome :)
2008-03-27T19:34:03  <nightmorph> never seen iii's serials either. there's lots of stuff in there that we don't use, and lots of kludge we have to get them to add for us to use
2008-03-27T19:34:20  <nightmorph> iii feels like an uncomfortable jacket made for someone else
2008-03-27T19:34:29  <miker_> haha
2008-03-27T19:35:29  <nightmorph> hmm. can the EG client run on win2k?
2008-03-27T19:35:47  <miker_> where are you, if you don't mind.  I promise not to start cold-calling your library board ;)
2008-03-27T19:35:57  <nightmorph> what's the no-archive prefix? !
2008-03-27T19:35:58  <miker_> win2k and XP
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2008-03-27T19:36:28  <miker_> nice!
2008-03-27T19:36:37  <nightmorph> currently 78 degrees.
2008-03-27T19:36:38  * miker_ used to live in san marcos
2008-03-27T19:36:40  <nightmorph> ahh
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2008-03-27T19:36:59  <miker_> socal++
2008-03-27T19:37:02  <nightmorph> aye
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2008-03-27T19:40:18  <nightmorph> and yes, linux for the win
2008-03-27T19:40:25  <nightmorph> that's why i'm interested in groovix
2008-03-27T19:41:03  <miker_> I've heard about groovix, but not used it.  kubuntu here
2008-03-27T19:41:08  <miker_> and debian on servers
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2008-03-27T19:41:24  <miker_> gentoo before all the drama and package lagging started
2008-03-27T19:41:27  <nightmorph> maryland's using groovix successfully
2008-03-27T19:41:38  <nightmorph> hey now; check my IRC cloak :p
2008-03-27T19:41:46  * nightmorph is a gentoo developer ;)
2008-03-27T19:41:48  <miker_> I did ;)
2008-03-27T19:41:52  <nightmorph> yeah yeah yeah
2008-03-27T19:42:03  <nightmorph> hmm, we don't seem to have a package for EG
2008-03-27T19:42:19  <miker_> there is an ebuild of 1.0 floating around
2008-03-27T19:42:45  <miker_> but that's obviously way out of date
2008-03-27T19:42:51  <nightmorph> ah yes, here's the article on maryland. i talked with the lady behind the move, and she said that groovix or someone else could even build an envisionware-alike, or could quote something reasonable anyway
2008-03-27T19:42:55  <nightmorph> http://gnomejournal.org/article/61/maryland-library-benefits-from-its-switch-to-linux
2008-03-27T19:43:27  <miker_> well, EG is in use with envisionware's pcres right now in PINES
2008-03-27T19:43:36  <miker_> so, that's an option
2008-03-27T19:43:41  <miker_> but foss++
2008-03-27T19:43:53  <nightmorph> agreed, but easier to sell to the admins if there's one fewer migration
2008-03-27T19:44:09  <miker_> indeed
2008-03-27T19:46:12  <miker_> crying baby ... must run
2008-03-27T19:46:12  <miker_> nightmorph: don't be a stranger :)
2008-03-27T19:46:33  <nightmorph> i'll stop by every now and then to see the latest drool-worthy feature that makes me hang my head in shame at iii :)
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2008-03-27T19:52:47  <djfiander> bah. dojo layout version of picklist fails in safari when user-agent identifies as safari. works when safari identifies as ffox.
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2008-03-27T20:30:01  <miker_> djfiander: dojo 1.1 should be better with both safari and konq (dbs ;) ), and it's at rc2 right now and API compat with 1.0 ...
2008-03-27T20:30:17  <miker_> djfiander: also, xulrunner ;)
2008-03-27T20:30:20  <dbs> rawk
2008-03-27T20:31:02  <djfiander> hmmm... found tag nesting error. that might be it
2008-03-27T20:32:37  <djfiander> bah... brief glimpse of page content, then fade to bank
2008-03-27T20:33:19  * dbs guesses - this is safari grief with dojo?
2008-03-27T20:33:56  <djfiander> actually, I gave up on safari. now getting same thing in ffox
2008-03-27T20:35:15  <djfiander> ok, d/l dojo-release-1.1.0
2008-03-27T20:37:06  <miker_> djfiander: AH! I can help with that problem! (fade to blank) ... I think
2008-03-27T20:37:17  <djfiander> coolness
2008-03-27T20:37:34  <djfiander> I was having serious problems with digit/dijit, but this isn't that
2008-03-27T20:37:43  <djfiander> well, 1.1 "fixed" the problem
2008-03-27T20:37:59  <djfiander> oops. wrong level
2008-03-27T20:37:59  <miker_> hmm... k
2008-03-27T20:38:34  <djfiander> hmm.
2008-03-27T20:38:55  <djfiander> nope. fade to blank
2008-03-27T20:39:01  <miker_> steal the html and body style from here: http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/browser/branches/dojo-admin/Open-ILS/web/conify/global/actor/org_unit.html
2008-03-27T20:39:22  <djfiander> right. that was next
2008-03-27T20:41:55  <miker_> it's amazing how purty dojo/dijit can make even my crappy, half assed interfaces look ;)
2008-03-27T20:42:32  <miker_> djfiander: oh, and yeah, I kept typing digit too... firebug helped me out, but man is that thing leaky
2008-03-27T20:43:08  <djfiander> yeah, just installed firebug. but those messages also appear in the plain error console.
2008-03-27T21:02:51  <djfiander> and... dojotoolkit.org is down
2008-03-27T21:03:36  <miker_> djfiander: that happened to me the other night too :(
2008-03-27T21:26:54  <djfiander> now I've got two scrollbars sidebyside
2008-03-27T21:27:51  <miker_> djfiander: URL?
2008-03-27T21:27:58  <djfiander> localhost :)
2008-03-27T21:28:10  <djfiander> hang on
2008-03-27T21:28:18  <miker_> huh ... I don't see that at http://localhost/ ... :P
2008-03-27T21:29:06  <djfiander> ok, acq hasn't been updated, and it wouldn't work anyway, since I've got dojo elsewhere.
2008-03-27T21:30:33  <miker_> dojo will probably end up living at / or /js/ ... I'd like to have serious rejiggering of the layout happen as soon as practicable by berick :)
2008-03-27T21:31:21  <djfiander> yeah, I've got it at /
2008-03-27T21:31:55  <djfiander> bugger. firebug dom browsing doesn't highlight the right part of the page, if you scroll the page.
2008-03-27T21:33:41  <miker_> odd ... have you tried venkman?
2008-03-27T21:54:27  <djfiander> there. I think.
2008-03-27T21:55:07  <djfiander> setting the style selector to "html, body" isn't good enough. I had to do "html, body, #oils-base-body-block", which is the div inside the body
2008-03-27T21:55:27  <miker_> ahh... hrm
2008-03-27T21:55:59  <miker_> ok ... I see, i'm just adding dojoType children to the body, and you're being good and using a wrapper div
2008-03-27T21:56:28  <djfiander> yeah, that's what I figured you were doing. I dunno if that's kosher or not. the code always had a div inside the body
2008-03-27T21:57:41  <djfiander> interesting. Now it displays in safari, but there's no scroll bar, so I can't see the bottom ;-)
2008-03-27T21:57:59  <miker_> well, I stole that from some forum post that may or may not have been relevant ..
2008-03-27T21:58:16  <miker_> overflow:auto or overflow:scroll?
2008-03-27T21:58:27  <djfiander> oops. wait
2008-03-27T21:58:36  <miker_> of course, the dojo widgets are supposed to do that for you
2008-03-27T21:58:58  <djfiander> diff is my friend
2008-03-27T21:59:47  <djfiander> no overflow set at all.
2008-03-27T21:59:56  <djfiander> should do auto, eh :)
2008-03-27T22:00:22  <miker_> well, the widgets should get scrollbars themselves if they're needed
2008-03-27T22:00:36  <djfiander> yeah. but safari...
2008-03-27T22:00:52  <miker_> hrm...
2008-03-27T22:01:06  <djfiander> probably just safari 3.  so new
2008-03-27T22:01:15  <miker_> well, if auto works everywhere, then sure
2008-03-27T22:02:49  <djfiander> hmm
2008-03-27T22:03:58  <djfiander> and now it works right with safari.
2008-03-27T22:04:03  <djfiander> I hate computers
2008-03-27T22:04:08  <miker_> hahaha
2008-03-27T22:04:11  <miker_> caching--
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