2008-03-17T00:09:52 *** greg-g has quit IRC 2008-03-17T01:52:36 *** phasefx_ has quit IRC 2008-03-17T01:52:36 *** asmodai has quit IRC 2008-03-17T01:52:36 *** peanutb has quit IRC 2008-03-17T01:55:43 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T01:55:44 *** peanutb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T03:07:21 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T08:01:58 *** gmcharlt has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T08:10:37 *** greg-g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T08:48:35 *** dbs has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T08:50:28 I guess GSoC is on PST... accepted projects are supposed to be announced today 2008-03-17T08:53:11 mmm 2008-03-17T09:02:00 yeah, got it on the cal. for 3pm est 2008-03-17T09:11:09 *** rsinger_ has quit IRC 2008-03-17T09:22:09 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T09:30:37 I've got a student here who wants to work on the autotools / packaging bits 2008-03-17T09:33:31 dbs: throw him into the salt mines 2008-03-17T09:34:07 bradl: Geez... if that's equinox's recruiting strategy, I'm shocked you're having a hard time finding good candidates :) 2008-03-17T09:34:08 tiny hands fit in tiny spaces 2008-03-17T09:34:57 dbs: it's either the salt mines or that big wheel they put Conan on as a child 2008-03-17T09:44:17 crom! 2008-03-17T09:45:25 * bradl grumbles 2008-03-17T09:46:28 crom++ 2008-03-17T09:46:52 crom jobs have much in common with cron jobs, yah? 2008-03-17T09:51:27 *** Karen_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T09:59:09 I think crom jobs last longer 2008-03-17T10:00:06 * berick prefers chud jobs 2008-03-17T10:34:23 *** JasonZou_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T10:43:35 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T10:49:41 phasefx2 / phasefx__: when you i18n-ize stuff, if you could update http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:customizations:i18n:staff_client_progress it would be appreciated - if not, no big 2008-03-17T10:55:13 *** ibbo has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T11:00:28 eeevil: hi 2008-03-17T11:00:37 hey :) 2008-03-17T11:00:57 I didn't check the nicklist :) 2008-03-17T11:01:38 so, is it a C-based stored proc that uses strxfrm? 2008-03-17T11:02:11 yes, 2008-03-17T11:02:17 it is c-based 2008-03-17T11:02:27 but i did not use strxfrm 2008-03-17T11:03:22 (staying over here :) ) 2008-03-17T11:04:00 so was the problem that unicode doesn't handle some codepoints from those languages? 2008-03-17T11:04:01 I had a quick look at the strxfrm solution. It is based on default locale of the database 2008-03-17T11:04:40 *** Mark__T has left #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T11:04:42 Frankly, I did not dig into strxfrm 2008-03-17T11:05:06 oh, well, that solution temporarily changes the locale for sorting purposes ... well, for codepoint ordering 2008-03-17T11:05:51 it sets the locale to X, and then strxfrm uses X's rules for generating a sortable codepoint number 2008-03-17T11:06:00 But for Chinese, the codepoint ordering might be useless 2008-03-17T11:06:09 sure 2008-03-17T11:06:50 So my solution is basically to create a mapping - romanize Chinese into english 2008-03-17T11:06:51 well, but that's defined by the locale rules, right? 2008-03-17T11:07:48 The problem is that the sorting method might not be defined by the locale rules 2008-03-17T11:08:21 I see 2008-03-17T11:08:42 furthermore, there are more than one sorting methods for one language 2008-03-17T11:09:02 so sorting the romanized equiv is the accepted way for east asian languages? 2008-03-17T11:09:35 failing local rules, of course 2008-03-17T11:10:04 At least, for Chinese, there is one sorting method called Pinyin 2008-03-17T11:10:40 I don't know about Japanese and Korean 2008-03-17T11:10:54 would it be possible with our solution to support arbitrary sorting methods? 2008-03-17T11:11:08 * eeevil can't wait to see the code :) 2008-03-17T11:12:02 actually, my code is not complicated, just a couple of functions 2008-03-17T11:13:03 My code for Chinese is to just parse the Chinese text into romanized text, then PostGreSql will do the rest 2008-03-17T11:13:23 It sounds like an excellent ILS-Contrib project to me 2008-03-17T11:13:37 indeed! 2008-03-17T11:15:05 Also, I would like to post the code which grace and I used for supporting index and search Chinese 2008-03-17T11:15:39 yay! 2008-03-17T11:15:48 I would second both projects - they're way more interesting than "import holdings demo" 2008-03-17T11:17:22 *** dmcmorris_dt has quit IRC 2008-03-17T11:18:08 I would say that the framework of evergreen is very good. For supporting Chinese, I just added a couple of functions in FTS and database side 2008-03-17T11:19:15 I wonder whether this would also be useful as a postgresql-contrib project - there's very little information that I was able to find on PostgreSQL and Chinese support, apart from basic character set support 2008-03-17T11:20:09 JasonZou_: cool... and thanks :) 2008-03-17T11:20:27 I felt the same way. I got very little information from PostgreSQL site 2008-03-17T11:21:36 Anyway, I have to clean up my code before posting 2008-03-17T11:21:54 I can post the sorting part first 2008-03-17T11:22:10 JasonZou_: not sure if you're familiar with the the locale support in opensrf, but the UI currently uses (well, can use, when the translations exist) that for other database locale stuff ... static strings like library names can be localized. I wonder if that should be leveraged here 2008-03-17T11:22:39 as a default sorting locale, absent any directly user-supplied locale 2008-03-17T11:22:51 it uses the primary browser locale 2008-03-17T11:24:00 I knew something about the locale support in opensrf, but not much 2008-03-17T11:24:57 However, at the database side, it is all UTF8. To some extent, it doesn't matter where which locale is using at the UI part 2008-03-17T11:25:09 oh, I'm just talking about locale, not encoding 2008-03-17T11:25:19 eeevil: whenever you weigh in on your concerns about APP, it's welcome dialogue 2008-03-17T11:26:02 rsinger: actually, after some important and intensive navel gazing, I've decided my concerns about APP are no-ops 2008-03-17T11:26:23 rsinger: IOW, let's just git er done! ;) 2008-03-17T11:26:34 rsinger: I'll say as much on-list :) 2008-03-17T11:26:44 * rsinger taps his fingers together in a sinister fashion. 2008-03-17T11:26:50 yesssssss 2008-03-17T11:27:15 ok, then i'll really start mocking up a strawman 2008-03-17T11:27:41 instead of procrastinating by reading random articles on wikipedia 2008-03-17T11:27:41 rsinger++ 2008-03-17T11:27:55 rsinger: you got opensrf happy on the mac, then? 2008-03-17T11:28:02 hell no 2008-03-17T11:28:33 but i don't have to have anything "working" to draft something up 2008-03-17T11:28:42 rsinger: you can use one of my vmware images to run a real operating system :) 2008-03-17T11:29:09 i'm a champion, after all, not a dirty serf who actually implements 2008-03-17T11:30:23 rsinger++ 2008-03-17T11:30:48 rsinger: I call that "title blocking" ... good work, sir 2008-03-17T11:31:02 haha 2008-03-17T11:31:06 "support? I'm a designer!" 2008-03-17T11:31:21 eeevil: 2008-03-17T11:31:36 eeevil: m locale, I am not quite sure about that. 2008-03-17T11:31:39 j/k, of course (disclaimer for any customers that may be watching ;) ) 2008-03-17T11:31:50 eeevil: "as a VP, i cannot be concerned with your support request. my minions will take your call" 2008-03-17T11:32:16 "and let me know if i need to sign a check for something or something" 2008-03-17T11:32:34 "to shut you up" 2008-03-17T11:34:38 bye, everyone. I will post my code later on 2008-03-17T11:34:44 JasonZou_++ 2008-03-17T11:35:16 *** JasonZou_ has left #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T11:46:14 *** JasonZou_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T11:47:33 *** JasonZou_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T12:20:09 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-03-17T12:30:15 *** jmellis has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T12:59:46 *** dmcmorris_dt has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T13:00:06 *** dmcmorris_esi has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T13:26:55 *** dmcmorris_esi is now known as GWBush 2008-03-17T13:27:16 *** GWBush is now known as dmcmorris_esi 2008-03-17T13:44:36 *** JasonZou_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T13:45:46 *** JasonZou_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T13:57:03 *** phasefx__ is now known as phasefx 2008-03-17T14:02:39 *** phasefx_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T14:39:47 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T14:40:56 Hey all. What's the status of NCIP with Evergreen? Is there any code for it or a plan to write some? 2008-03-17T14:49:57 SIP2 is done 2008-03-17T14:50:16 hmm - http://acq.open-ils.org/oils/acq/base/index seems to be broken 2008-03-17T14:50:45 nevermind - http://acq.open-ils.org/oils/acq/base/index/ is good 2008-03-17T14:56:22 sylvar: there are plans ... but no target dates right now. 2008-03-17T14:57:16 eeevil: thank you 2008-03-17T14:57:50 what about SRU/SRW? 2008-03-17T14:58:48 sylvar: SRU was added over the past week 2008-03-17T14:58:56 * dbs steals eeevil's thunder 2008-03-17T14:59:08 lovely! 2008-03-17T14:59:47 :) 2008-03-17T15:00:09 geez guys, next thing you know we'll be layering z39.50 over SRU or something 2008-03-17T15:00:17 phasefx: ha :) 2008-03-17T15:00:36 Simple2ZOOM :) 2008-03-17T15:01:36 Excellent, I'll get started right away porting Evergreen to Atari BASIC. Anyone got a few hundred miles of 40-character line? 2008-03-17T15:02:06 I'm guessing SRU will be in a future release. 2008-03-17T15:02:23 sylvar: how about a nice EEPROM for the cartridge slot? 2008-03-17T15:02:31 don't take away my star raiders, though 2008-03-17T15:03:00 dbs: as long as I can play The Last Starfighter to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada, you've got a deal 2008-03-17T15:03:31 phasefx, am I reading you right -- is that the actual plan, to implement z39.50 over SRU? 2008-03-17T15:03:33 give me Venture anyday 2008-03-17T15:04:05 * sylvar recently ripped the theme song from the Atari "Gremlins" game to use as a ringtone 2008-03-17T15:04:07 sylvar: using existing software, yes 2008-03-17T15:05:02 sylvar: you can always check out my slides from the VALE symposium at coffeecode.net 2008-03-17T15:05:10 phasefx: cool. any wild guesses about whether some basic z39.50 will be available spring, summer, fall, etc.? 2008-03-17T15:06:26 sylvar: 1.4.0, which we're calling "backend feature complete" ... must finish i18n and admin interfaces and testing 2008-03-17T15:06:32 so... ASAP :) 2008-03-17T15:06:49 dbs: got any idea whether, if my wife goes for a PhD at UToronto, I'd be able to legally work as a library geek in Canada? We're both American citizens. 2008-03-17T15:07:10 sylvar: are you a librarian? if so, then nafta gives you a green light 2008-03-17T15:07:11 eeevil: that's awesome news! does that include the search rewrite? 2008-03-17T15:07:42 dbs: I have an MLS, if that's what you mean 2008-03-17T15:07:54 sylvar: it does, but even better: we're (about to be) testing a backport to 1.2.2, which will be out ... as soon as we can test it :) 2008-03-17T15:08:15 sylvar: yep, that'll do (assuming it's ALA-accredited and not purchased from some Eastern European diploma mill) 2008-03-17T15:08:16 eeevil: oho! 2008-03-17T15:08:43 sylvar: jbfink (who is occasionally on here) made the jump from ohio to ontario last year, you should talk to him 2008-03-17T15:10:01 dbs: I'm sure they'll scoff at the notion that the University of South Florida could be located in Tampa. "Sir, don't try to kid us, it's the fourth province, we know Tampa isn't in South Florida." 2008-03-17T15:11:03 dbs: Definitely will do, if she gets in. As they're ranked #1 among Canadian philosophy departments, this is by no means a given for *any* candidate. 2008-03-17T15:11:28 eeevil: you're supposed to release 1.2.2 within hours of me getting the 1.2.1.4 vmware image uploaded 2008-03-17T15:11:45 dbs: I know, sorry ... I've been slacking :) 2008-03-17T15:11:50 sylvar: yeah, they have a pretty hardcore program 2008-03-17T15:12:01 eeevil: my commit list says otherwise 2008-03-17T15:12:42 * sylvar never thought NAFTA would actually have anything to do with himself 2008-03-17T15:16:39 Here's another question: "Has some other API been implemented with Evergreen which allows calls into holdings/circulation/patron data? If so does it also support any update services such as placing a hold?" 2008-03-17T15:17:13 This was a the end of my list of Stuff To Find Out, so it may be moot given the previous answers about SIP2, Z39.50, etc. 2008-03-17T15:17:14 see: OpenSRF 2008-03-17T15:17:37 * sylvar grins. 2008-03-17T15:17:57 Don't know why I didn't see that staring me in the face... 2008-03-17T15:18:38 :) 2008-03-17T15:20:02 sylvar: and we're working with rsinger et al on Jangle too ... but, yeah, if you need "an API" then you've got opensrf providing native-xmpp/xmlrpc/restish-xml/restish-json ... 2008-03-17T15:40:01 Anyone know if phasefx is still around? 2008-03-17T15:40:43 *** jasonzou has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T15:56:37 *** jasonzou has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T16:02:54 *** ibbo has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T16:59:50 *** phasefx has quit IRC 2008-03-17T17:00:43 *** phasefx has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T17:21:56 conify? 2008-03-17T17:30:26 arrooo? 2008-03-17T17:49:09 * dbs heads home 2008-03-17T17:49:12 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-03-17T18:04:00 *** Karen_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T18:08:57 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T18:35:08 *** jmellis has left #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T18:52:39 *** dbs_mob has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T18:53:00 gsoc-- #booooooooo 2008-03-17T18:56:59 i guess we shift those project ideas over to "want to help? here are some ideas..." 2008-03-17T18:57:16 still bummed though 2008-03-17T19:01:20 *** dbs_mob has quit IRC 2008-03-17T20:46:38 *** dbs has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-17T20:53:42 should anyone else ever want to administer the ILS-Contrib stuff, here's my own notes: http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/wiki/WikiAdmin 2008-03-17T20:57:49 cool 2008-03-17T20:59:43 I don't want to do this my whole life, so my only hope is to document it and hope that somebody else comes along :) 2008-03-17T21:01:47 understood :) 2008-03-17T21:06:28 I really hope to spend most of my life answering questions about vmware images 2008-03-17T21:08:05 haha 2008-03-17T21:08:08 good man! 2008-03-17T21:08:22 'no, use BRIDGED networking' 2008-03-17T21:10:34 'always create the UUID' 2008-03-17T21:11:37 hey, wait a second - you're committing changes to a tagged release? 2008-03-17T21:11:57 I'm a horrible person, and was hoping you wouldn't notice 2008-03-17T21:12:06 * miker_ slinks away sheepishly 2008-03-17T21:12:26 heh 2008-03-17T21:12:36 time for 1.2.1.4.0.1 2008-03-17T21:12:41 haha 2008-03-17T21:13:29 fwiw, there won't be a 1.2.1.5, and it's only applicable to PINES ... it doesn't make it any better, but ... there it is 2008-03-17T21:14:19 * dbs starts to blog furiously about the decepticon version control at svn.open-ils.org 2008-03-17T21:14:33 I'm kidding, of course 2008-03-17T21:15:02 haha ... decepticon 2008-03-17T21:15:11 I AM MEGATRON 2008-03-17T21:15:40 (see ... if we were still using CVS then I wouldn't have been able to do that ;) ) 2008-03-17T21:16:49 so it's been, what, a year since the switch to svn eh? 2008-03-17T21:17:30 time to start agitating for a switch to bzr 2008-03-17T21:17:49 this has to warm your heart: http://www.flickr.com/photos/valeconferences/2329770073/ 2008-03-17T21:18:33 bob looks angry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/valeconferences/2330594692/ 2008-03-17T21:19:21 elizabeth and I are concentrating on the question: http://www.flickr.com/photos/valeconferences/2330594444/ 2008-03-17T21:20:01 ha! you and E look intense :) 2008-03-17T21:20:52 I just look plain weird: http://www.flickr.com/photos/valeconferences/2329768661/ 2008-03-17T21:21:13 :) 2008-03-17T21:22:38 man ... I'd have loved to have been there 2008-03-17T21:23:17 sad Dan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/valeconferences/2330592746/in/photostream/ 2008-03-17T21:23:55 oh, we need to get the new logo to E :) 2008-03-17T21:24:29 heh, sad_dan++ 2008-03-17T21:24:55 more like "god I'm tired, and man I wish I had eaten something more for breakfast & lunch" 2008-03-17T21:57:45 dbs, looking for meat 2008-03-17T21:57:52 * bradl grumbles 2008-03-17T21:59:27 * dbs grumbles 2008-03-17T22:00:38 wow - it's like my presentation at the VALE open source library symposium never happened, according to nengard: http://sla-divisions.typepad.com/itbloggingsection/2008/03/the-open-source.html 2008-03-17T22:02:25 dbs: approximately par for the course? 2008-03-17T22:02:58 well, she covered bob and elizabeth's talks. maybe two talks on evergreen was enough. 2008-03-17T22:03:17 or maybe my deep bass voice lulled her to sleep 2008-03-17T22:03:24 hahahahaha 2008-03-17T22:03:33 dbs: Elizabeth said she'd like you to read her books 2008-03-17T22:04:17 not sure how that came up... but she said that today ;) 2008-03-17T22:04:24 dbs: the optimist in me wants to believe that, however, that optimist is puny, and the pessimist is forever stealing his lunch money 2008-03-17T22:05:31 meh - not worth worrying over 2008-03-17T22:06:22 keep up the development pace of the last month or two and everything will take care of itself without any dirty tricks 2008-03-17T22:07:57 ha 2008-03-17T22:09:34 but we like dirty tricks 2008-03-17T22:09:41 * bradl pouts 2008-03-17T22:10:15 bradl: not _those_ kinds of dirty tricks! 2008-03-17T22:24:11 hmm.. my house is full of dirty tricks. For example, my wireless headphones... every now and then when I put them on and hit the power button, I get blasted with the volume turned all the way to '10' 2008-03-17T22:24:27 now... it's either Will or Hilary 2008-03-17T22:24:34 one of them looks guilty 2008-03-17T22:37:58 ok, i'm gonna delete osrfsys and pg logs through aug 07 2008-03-17T22:38:32 that leaves us 6+ months of detailed logs 2008-03-17T22:39:07 i can get rid of some old error/warn logs as well 2008-03-17T22:40:58 "these are not the channels you're looking for" 2008-03-17T22:49:24 *** sylvar has quit IRC 2008-03-17T22:50:21 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-17T23:16:05 *** greg-g has quit IRC