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2008-03-15T00:01:50  <weather15> Hi everyone
2008-03-15T00:02:55  <weather15> I have tried to install evergreen but every time i have failed and have follwed all directions on the wiki
2008-03-15T00:03:30  <weather15> I have tried vmware images and they don work what can i do to get a working version of evergreen?
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2008-03-15T05:34:03  <zbilici> hi
2008-03-15T05:34:40  <zbilici> can you please help me using evergreen vmware image?
2008-03-15T05:36:03  <zbilici> is there anybody here?
2008-03-15T05:39:15  <zbilici> hello
2008-03-15T05:39:26  <zbilici> hu huuu
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2008-03-15T05:54:01  <zbilici> hi
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2008-03-15T07:27:15  <weather15> hello Everyone
2008-03-15T07:28:39  <weather15> I tried and tried to get evergreen working but i have falied
2008-03-15T07:29:23  <weather15> I would like to what i have to do with out using any scripting to get evergreen working
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2008-03-15T08:56:05  <weather15> hi
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2008-03-15T12:53:04  <dbs> http://www.coffeecode.net/archives/152-Evergreen-Acquisitions-at-VALEs-Next-Generation-Academic-Library-System-Symposium.html
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2008-03-15T13:12:42  <dbs> Debian install instructions updated to use localhost and provide more guidance in editing config files
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2008-03-15T13:28:51  <phasefx> dbs++
2008-03-15T13:29:11  <dbs> trying to catch up on everything I've wanted to do for the last week or two
2008-03-15T13:29:15  <dbs> while amber sleeps
2008-03-15T13:30:08  <phasefx> I hear ya.  I'm going to try to grab some low hanging fruit this weekend
2008-03-15T13:32:18  <miker_> dbs++ indeed
2008-03-15T13:33:01  <miker_> dbs: quick question, academic recalls, are they always against a specific item? (I think they'd have to be, since they're "bring that thing back in now", right?)
2008-03-15T13:33:08  <dbs> yep
2008-03-15T13:33:13  <miker_> gooood
2008-03-15T13:33:17  <dbs> And my proposal for the import holdings demo package will now hit the list
2008-03-15T13:33:25  <miker_> k
2008-03-15T13:34:33  <dbs> recalls usually trigger a penalty clause if the item isn't returned within a specific period of time after the recall is issued
2008-03-15T13:35:04  <dbs> I've got to say, miker_, your mass of staged search work looks really interesting
2008-03-15T13:35:37  <miker_> :)
2008-03-15T13:37:46  <miker_> it was fun to write, and it's really needed
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2008-03-15T13:42:57  <miker_> so, here's what I'm thinking on recalls...
2008-03-15T13:45:09  * dbs waits for it
2008-03-15T13:46:27  <miker_> per-item non-return recall fee, with an org_unit default if it's not set, along with a per-org_unit fee interval (both can be set at the top of the org tree to be global defaults), which an analog to fine processor uses to generate the fees on a regular basis (nightly, or hourly if needed), and we use the (already existing) R-type hold, which pushes to the front of the line and would trigger the attempt at fee generatoin
2008-03-15T13:46:31  <miker_> generation
2008-03-15T13:47:11  <miker_> and then a nightly notifier script, like the overdue notifier, which emails current circulation patrons to tell them that they need to bring the item back
2008-03-15T13:47:34  <miker_> and an indication of such on the items out list in the opac
2008-03-15T13:48:13  <miker_> and, of course, a permission to allow placing a recall-hold
2008-03-15T13:49:00  <miker_> fwiw, there's also an F-type hold (for "force") which just pushes to the front of the line ... it won't trigger the recall notification and fees
2008-03-15T13:49:26  <miker_> F-type and R-type are both just specializations of copy holds (C-type)
2008-03-15T13:50:01  <dbs> Sounds like you have the bases covered
2008-03-15T13:50:34  <miker_> another option is to add force and recall flags to holds, so that any hold type can be a force or a recall
2008-03-15T13:50:56  <miker_> that's a nice generalization, but I'm unsure of the utility
2008-03-15T13:51:20  <miker_> and for recalls, I don't know that it makes sense to have title level recalls
2008-03-15T13:51:32  <dbs> No, I don't think that would make sense
2008-03-15T13:51:53  <dbs> If you want just one copy (to place on reserve, or whatever), it wouldn't be good to have ten different recall notices go out
2008-03-15T13:52:06  <miker_> right
2008-03-15T13:52:27  <dbs> recalls are pretty exceptional events, in my experience, so human-driven selection should be okay
2008-03-15T13:52:36  <miker_> I'm just not sure about the force flag idea ... I feel like it should be restricted to copy-level to avoid abuse, but I'm not sure
2008-03-15T13:52:55  <dbs> (my massive experience of two years at one library)
2008-03-15T13:53:00  <miker_> heh
2008-03-15T13:54:38  <dbs> Hmm. I could see in an academic environment giving faculty F-type perms at title-level
2008-03-15T13:54:41  <bradl> dbs: I think there's a typo in your blog post... I believe you meant Sept 2008, not 2007 :)
2008-03-15T13:54:53  <dbs> Time travelling, eh?
2008-03-15T13:55:03  <bradl> :)
2008-03-15T13:55:36  <bradl> dbs: been doing even more travelling than I suspected
2008-03-15T13:56:45  <dbs> bradl: thanks - fixed
2008-03-15T14:02:21  <dbs> bradl: now you're supposed to follow up by whining about why I posted to coffeecode instead of open-ils.org/blog :)
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2008-03-15T14:07:40  <dbs> did I mention that Ed used the import holdings demo to get records into his test system the morning of the symposium? he had one holding in his system until then :)
2008-03-15T14:07:48  <EGUEST599> hi
2008-03-15T14:07:54  <dbs> hello
2008-03-15T14:08:25  <EGUEST599> somebody can help me about evergreen vmware image?
2008-03-15T14:08:46  <dbs> I'm probably your best bet :)
2008-03-15T14:08:55  <dbs> What's going on?
2008-03-15T14:08:55  <EGUEST599> really?
2008-03-15T14:09:04  <EGUEST599> thank you so much
2008-03-15T14:09:15  <EGUEST599> i couldnt run the image
2008-03-15T14:09:35  <EGUEST599> i run on xp
2008-03-15T14:09:39  <dbs> what happened?
2008-03-15T14:10:04  <EGUEST599> and i did the all things that wrote help page
2008-03-15T14:10:34  <EGUEST599> but where i run the evergreen?
2008-03-15T14:10:46  <dbs> okay - so you read through http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=vmware:gentoo ?
2008-03-15T14:11:44  <EGUEST599> my inet adress is 127.0.01
2008-03-15T14:12:26  <dbs> do you have more than one inet address, by any chance?
2008-03-15T14:12:45  <dbs> please paste the output of /sbin/ifconfig into http://paste.lisp.org/new/openils-evergreen
2008-03-15T14:12:51  <EGUEST599> must i use gentoo in xp?
2008-03-15T14:14:31  <EGUEST599> i dont understand something
2008-03-15T14:14:36  <dbs> No, you can use any of the VMWare images in xp
2008-03-15T14:15:11  <EGUEST599> i am so so sorry but i am really newbie about this
2008-03-15T14:15:30  <EGUEST599> i met with linux about one week and i am really wonder using evergreen
2008-03-15T14:16:14  <EGUEST599> i love evergreen userface and i want to try evergreen background
2008-03-15T14:16:56  <EGUEST599> i installed to my system apache2triad
2008-03-15T14:16:57  <dbs> great! so which VMWare image are you using?
2008-03-15T14:17:11  <EGUEST599> and installed vmware player
2008-03-15T14:17:20  <EGUEST599> evergreen_debian
2008-03-15T14:17:33  <EGUEST599> ubuntu
2008-03-15T14:18:19  <EGUEST599> i installed the virtualbox and i try ubuntu 7.10 on virtualbox to try evergreen
2008-03-15T14:19:13  <EGUEST599> but because of i couldnt to install evergreen on ubuntu i tried to download evergreen_debian vmware image
2008-03-15T14:19:55  <dbs> okay, so vmware player + evergreen_debian should be okay
2008-03-15T14:20:17  <dbs> are you able to get to the login prompt on the Debian vmware image?
2008-03-15T14:24:00  <EGUEST599> where can i get login prompt?
2008-03-15T14:24:59  <dbs> That's what you should get when you start the Debian vmware image
2008-03-15T14:25:12  <EGUEST599> i found it there are 4 log files
2008-03-15T14:25:20  <EGUEST599> 0,1,2 and 4
2008-03-15T14:25:27  <dbs> (I just mean the basic Debian login prompt)
2008-03-15T14:26:02  <phasefx2> it'll be a screen with a black background and some white colored text, asking you for a login name
2008-03-15T14:26:11  <dbs> In VMWare Player, you will have to open the "Other Linux 2.6.x kernel.vmx" file to start the VMWare image
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2008-03-15T14:26:49  <EGUEST599> yes i have opened the Other Linux 2.6.x kernel.vmx
2008-03-15T14:27:09  <EGUEST599> (root) # su - opensrf
2008-03-15T14:27:09  <EGUEST599> (opensrf) $ cd /openils/bin
2008-03-15T14:27:09  <EGUEST599> (opensrf) $ osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a start_router
2008-03-15T14:27:09  <EGUEST599> (opensrf) $ osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a start_perl
2008-03-15T14:27:09  <EGUEST599> (opensrf) $ osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a start_c
2008-03-15T14:27:24  <EGUEST599> ind i wrote all this lines
2008-03-15T14:27:49  <EGUEST599> but after that what i must do?
2008-03-15T14:28:41  <dbs> okay - can you run "/sbin/ifconfig" and paste the output into http://paste.lisp.org/new/openils-evergreen so that we can see what it says?
2008-03-15T14:29:37  <dbs> phasefx2: we should add "Can I run Evergreen on Windows?" to the FAQ
2008-03-15T14:30:35  <phasefx2> dbs: I agree
2008-03-15T14:30:50  <phasefx2> dbs: should I just answer "No"? :D
2008-03-15T14:30:57  <EGUEST599> of course yes
2008-03-15T14:31:19  <dbs> phasefx2: probably to the sys admin area, with client vs. server (native) vs. server (vmware for testing) as answers
2008-03-15T14:31:37  <EGUEST599> i try to copy lines in blackscreen but how?
2008-03-15T14:33:17  <EGUEST599> Link encap:Local Loopback
2008-03-15T14:33:36  <EGUEST599> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0
2008-03-15T14:33:57  <EGUEST599> inet6 addr:  ::1/128 Scope:Host
2008-03-15T14:34:20  <EGUEST599> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
2008-03-15T14:34:52  <EGUEST599> RX packets:2560 errors0 dropped0 everruns:0 frame:0
2008-03-15T14:35:13  <dbs> hmm. are there no eth0 or eth1 entries?
2008-03-15T14:35:13  <EGUEST599> TX packets:2560 errors0 dropped0 everruns:0 carrier:0
2008-03-15T14:35:40  <EGUEST599> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
2008-03-15T14:36:20  <EGUEST599> RX bytes:802765 (783.9 KİB) TX bytes:802765 (783.9 KİB)
2008-03-15T14:36:28  <EGUEST599> this is all
2008-03-15T14:37:47  <dbs> in VMWare Player, do you have some sort of VMWare Image configuration screen that shows the hardware for the image (like ethernet cards)?
2008-03-15T14:38:26  <EGUEST599> why the programs are not like in windows, install, next, next, next and finish and run the program that's all!
2008-03-15T14:38:57  <dbs> Well, in VMWare you're emulating a whole machine, so it's a little bit complex by necessity
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2008-03-15T14:40:16  <dbs> whoops - sorry about that
2008-03-15T14:40:21  <dbs> was searching my IRC log file and closed the whole IRC application!
2008-03-15T14:42:26  <EGUEST599> i thought for a sceond i lost you dbs
2008-03-15T14:42:35  <EGUEST599> huh
2008-03-15T14:43:08  <EGUEST599> i really want to try e v e r g r e e n
2008-03-15T14:44:12  <EGUEST599> is it possible to run evergreen in virtualbox and on ubuntu?
2008-03-15T14:45:36  <dbs> EGUEST599: sure, that's what some of the other developers do
2008-03-15T14:46:04  <dbs> Were you able to find any configuration information for the Debian image in the VMWare Player interface?
2008-03-15T14:47:23  <dbs> One other thing you might want to try (it might make your ethernet device visible): # rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules && reboot
2008-03-15T14:48:38  <EGUEST599> maybe i run the evergreen-debian image on vmplayer
2008-03-15T14:49:27  <EGUEST599> now i try to run again evergreen-debian on vmplayer
2008-03-15T14:50:43  <EGUEST599> but just i see "evergreen-server: # " at the screen
2008-03-15T14:50:46  <dbs> okay - if you can run that command I just posted in the Debian image, it might help
2008-03-15T14:51:16  <EGUEST599> ok i will try
2008-03-15T14:56:16  <EGUEST599> i did it and i just see at the screen evergreen-server:^ #_
2008-03-15T14:56:28  <EGUEST599> what should i do now?
2008-03-15T14:57:41  <EGUEST599> still black screen
2008-03-15T14:57:59  <dbs> sure, that's fine
2008-03-15T14:58:12  <dbs> does /sbin/ifconfig show any other interfaces?
2008-03-15T14:58:25  <dbs> we want to see something like "eth0" or "eth1"
2008-03-15T14:58:58  <EGUEST599> woow yes
2008-03-15T14:59:22  <EGUEST599> eth0
2008-03-15T14:59:45  <dbs> yay!
2008-03-15T15:00:08  <dbs> so now in windows, if you're lucky, you should be able to type that address into your web browser and see the evergreen OPAC
2008-03-15T15:01:05  <EGUEST599> i am not luck :(
2008-03-15T15:01:14  <dbs> what is the address?
2008-03-15T15:01:16  <EGUEST599> y
2008-03-15T15:01:28  <EGUEST599> 192.168.176.128
2008-03-15T15:01:57  <dbs> ok - and did you do the osrf_ctl.sh commands to start up evergreen, and restart apache?
2008-03-15T15:02:27  <EGUEST599> no i didnt
2008-03-15T15:02:47  <EGUEST599> i will do now
2008-03-15T15:02:58  <dbs> all right, that will help
2008-03-15T15:03:15  <dbs> you might want to start with osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a stop_all
2008-03-15T15:03:42  <dbs> (just in case anything was left over from previous attempts)
2008-03-15T15:03:48  <EGUEST599> all right!!!!
2008-03-15T15:03:53  <EGUEST599> it runs!
2008-03-15T15:04:33  <dbs> yay!
2008-03-15T15:04:34  <phasefx2> yay!
2008-03-15T15:04:36  <bradl> as long as it doesn't hide, I guess we're ok :)
2008-03-15T15:05:19  <EGUEST599> may i now use evergreen staff client?
2008-03-15T15:05:21  <dbs> EGUEST599: to run the staff client, you're going to have to create a new symbolic link in /openils/var/web/xul
2008-03-15T15:06:00  <dbs> I'm assuming you've installed the 1.2.1.4 staff client from http://open-ils.org/downloads.php
2008-03-15T15:06:15  <dbs> so: cd /openils/var/web/xul
2008-03-15T15:06:43  <dbs> ln -sf HEAD rel_1_2_1_4
2008-03-15T15:07:02  <dbs> and then you should be able to point the staff client at the same address
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2008-03-15T15:08:29  <EGUEST599> In command not found
2008-03-15T15:10:07  <jeff> lowercase l (ell), not uppercase I (eye)
2008-03-15T15:10:25  <jeff> "ls", like "list" without the i or t. :)
2008-03-15T15:10:29  <jeff> er.
2008-03-15T15:10:30  <phasefx2> it's a unix'ism for "link"
2008-03-15T15:10:38  <jeff> yeah, "ln" "link"
2008-03-15T15:10:49  <jeff> mental typo to the more-common ls, sorry :)
2008-03-15T15:10:58  <EGUEST599> :( so sorry
2008-03-15T15:11:23  <jeff> no need to be sorry :)
2008-03-15T15:14:19  <EGUEST599> ln -sf HEAD rel_1_2_1_4
2008-03-15T15:14:21  <EGUEST599> ln -sf HEAD rel_1_2_1_4
2008-03-15T15:14:30  <EGUEST599> ln -sf HEAD rel_1_2_1_4
2008-03-15T15:14:57  <EGUEST599> i wrote ln -sf HEAD rel_1_2_1_4   but nothing happens
2008-03-15T15:15:49  <dbs> right, it's just creating a symbolic link that the staff client will need
2008-03-15T15:15:58  <dbs> hey - dev.gapines.org is back - cool!
2008-03-15T15:16:44  <dbs> uh oh, amber is up - i've gotta go
2008-03-15T15:16:59  <EGUEST599> dbs no please
2008-03-15T15:17:02  <EGUEST599> dont go
2008-03-15T15:20:00  <EGUEST599> i see the opac page but when i try to search some word nothing happens
2008-03-15T15:20:48  <phasefx2> EGUEST599: right, you have no data entered into the system
2008-03-15T15:23:08  <phasefx2> EGUEST599: have you installed the staff client yet?
2008-03-15T15:24:05  <EGUEST599> but there are example libraries
2008-03-15T15:24:40  <phasefx2> we have example bibliographic data you can load into the system, but I've never done it
2008-03-15T15:25:05  <EGUEST599> when i try to login via windows staff client i get network connection error
2008-03-15T15:26:21  <phasefx2> EGUEST599: you had got a green OK for Status and Version after entering your hostname?
2008-03-15T15:27:24  <EGUEST599> when i try to login via Evergreen Staff Client 3 (windows) i got network failure message
2008-03-15T15:28:57  <phasefx2> one thing to make sure of, is that you're not using http:// when you enter the host name in the staff client.  So for example, if you're connecting to localhost, just enter "localhost"
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2008-03-15T15:31:15  <EGUEST601> hi again actually i am eguest599 :)
2008-03-15T15:31:32  <EGUEST601> my name is Zeki
2008-03-15T15:31:42  <phasefx2> hi Zeiki :)  this is what I said a moment ago, in case you missed it:
2008-03-15T15:31:51  <EGUEST601> and i am from Turkey
2008-03-15T15:32:13  <phasefx2> one thing to make sure of, is that you're not using http://when you enter the host name in the staff client.  So for example, if you're connecting to localhost, just enter "localhost"
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2008-03-15T15:33:25  <EGUEST601> i enter the 192.168.176.128 at the host name
2008-03-15T15:33:52  <phasefx2> and you get a green OK for both Status and Version fields?
2008-03-15T15:33:57  <EGUEST601> because i have installed the apache2triad before my computer
2008-03-15T15:34:10  <EGUEST601> yes i get OK
2008-03-15T15:34:44  <phasefx2> if you go back to the server in vmware, trying running srfsh as the opensrf user
2008-03-15T15:34:57  <phasefx2> then at the prompt in srfsh, try  login admin open-ils staff
2008-03-15T15:35:11  <EGUEST601> :)
2008-03-15T15:35:28  <EGUEST601> how can i run srfsh?
2008-03-15T15:35:36  <EGUEST601> just writing srfsh?
2008-03-15T15:35:50  <phasefx2> Zeki, not Zeiki.. I'm playing world of warcraft at the moment and things are laggy :)
2008-03-15T15:36:30  <EGUEST601> i thought you did mis spelling
2008-03-15T15:36:50  <phasefx2> right, just type srfsh and press enter, see if that works
2008-03-15T15:37:01  * phasefx2 doesn't like mistyping :(
2008-03-15T15:38:12  <EGUEST601> srfsh command not found
2008-03-15T15:38:41  <phasefx2> try  su - opensrf    then try srfsh
2008-03-15T15:38:55  <EGUEST601> i am at evergreen-server:/openils/var/web/xul
2008-03-15T15:39:51  <phasefx2> if you type    whoami   it'll tell you what user you are currently.. the likely candidates are root and opensrf.  I bet that image has srfsh set up for user opensrf
2008-03-15T15:41:05  <EGUEST601> ok i wrote srfsh and now i see srfsh#
2008-03-15T15:41:17  <phasefx2> now try    login admin open-ils staff
2008-03-15T15:41:35  <phasefx2> hopefully, you'll see a lot of text from that, part of which should say authtoken
2008-03-15T15:41:36  <EGUEST601> windows staff?
2008-03-15T15:41:42  <phasefx2> at the srfsh# prompt
2008-03-15T15:41:59  <phasefx2> srfsh# login admin open-ils staff
2008-03-15T15:43:12  <EGUEST601> ???: login admin open-ils staff
2008-03-15T15:43:24  <EGUEST601> this is the message
2008-03-15T15:43:37  <phasefx2> that's unusual
2008-03-15T15:43:56  <phasefx2> did you just type "login admin open-ils staff" and nothing extra?
2008-03-15T15:44:20  <EGUEST601> yes i did, nothing extra
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2008-03-15T15:48:10  <EGUEST601> why i got network failure message when i try to use windows staff version?
2008-03-15T15:48:43  <EGUEST601> the message is
2008-03-15T15:49:08  <EGUEST601> method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
2008-03-15T15:49:16  <phasefx2> not sure yet, but that error can be misleading.. we need to get srfsh working and see if logging in with it will work
2008-03-15T15:49:24  <EGUEST601> params=["admin"]
2008-03-15T15:49:32  <EGUEST601> THROWN:
2008-03-15T15:49:35  <EGUEST601> null
2008-03-15T15:49:44  <EGUEST601> STATUS:
2008-03-15T15:52:10  <EGUEST601> Server Certificate Expired
2008-03-15T15:52:59  <phasefx2> when you tried to login with the staff client, did you get Certificate errors?  And did you choose the most positive/affirmative response at each dialog?
2008-03-15T15:53:36  <EGUEST601> "Dan Scott" is a site that uses a security certificate to encrypt data during transmission, but its certificate expired on 04.12.2007 03:59
2008-03-15T15:53:54  <EGUEST601> yes
2008-03-15T15:54:09  <phasefx2> I'd go back to troubleshooting with srfsh
2008-03-15T15:54:19  <phasefx2> at the srfsh# prompt, type  quit  and press enter
2008-03-15T15:54:29  <phasefx2> then type whoami and tell me what user it reports back
2008-03-15T15:55:02  <EGUEST601> opensrf
2008-03-15T15:55:13  <phasefx2> now type   cat ~/.srfsh.xml
2008-03-15T15:55:22  <phasefx2> find the path for the <logfile> entry
2008-03-15T15:56:31  <phasefx2> then depending on that path, enter something like this   tail /home/opensrf/srfsh.log       This might be a different path for your image
2008-03-15T15:57:18  <EGUEST601> i couldnt find "~" because of my turkish keyboard :(
2008-03-15T15:57:39  <phasefx2> then do this instead:   cat /home/opensrf/.srfsh.xml
2008-03-15T15:58:32  <EGUEST601> ok i found it
2008-03-15T16:00:43  <EGUEST601> ok what do you want now at the log file? user and pass?
2008-03-15T16:01:03  <phasefx2> what's the last line in that file?
2008-03-15T16:01:47  <EGUEST601> <loglevel>4</loglevel>
2008-03-15T16:02:57  <phasefx2> sorry, in the .srfsh.xml file, there is a line containing <logfile>.  I want the last line from the file referenced there
2008-03-15T16:05:00  <EGUEST601> is this? sorry but i dont understand
2008-03-15T16:05:22  <phasefx2> no problem, let me try again
2008-03-15T16:05:37  <EGUEST601> openils/var/log/srfsh.log
2008-03-15T16:06:07  <EGUEST601> <logfile>openils/var/log/srfsh.log</logfile>
2008-03-15T16:06:42  <phasefx2> hrmm, is there a leading / in front of openils?
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2008-03-15T16:07:02  <EGUEST601> why open souce is so hard?
2008-03-15T16:07:50  <EGUEST601> yes i mistyped
2008-03-15T16:08:06  <phasefx2> it originated with a different audience and has only recently become mainstream.  Windows would be hard for someone who never used it
2008-03-15T16:08:09  <EGUEST601> <logfile>/openils/var/log/srfsh.log</logfile>
2008-03-15T16:08:22  <phasefx2> sadly, computers are hard for a lot of folks here
2008-03-15T16:08:59  <EGUEST601> but when i want to try something on windows like new program or demo i just install the program and run it
2008-03-15T16:10:11  <EGUEST601> yes i am really dummy at linux but i can use windows really good (i think)
2008-03-15T16:11:01  <phasefx2> this program is more complicated than that.  There are Windows programs that are just so big/versatile that even you though you can install it easily, you still have to configure it.  With Linux, configuration has traditionally been with config files, not user interfaces
2008-03-15T16:12:08  <EGUEST601> yes i see, but dont you do evergreen more user friendly
2008-03-15T16:12:17  <phasefx2> we're working on it :)
2008-03-15T16:12:53  <EGUEST601> i just want to try evergreen staff for one week and i couldnt use it yet
2008-03-15T16:13:22  <phasefx2> well, you could do that with demo.gapines.org, no need to install Evergreen
2008-03-15T16:14:13  <EGUEST601> i am a librarian and i really sympathy to open source programs
2008-03-15T16:14:25  <EGUEST601> evergreen or koha or something else
2008-03-15T16:14:41  <phasefx2> yeah, open source and libraries share a lot of the same beliefs
2008-03-15T16:15:20  <EGUEST601> yes i do demo.gapines.org
2008-03-15T16:15:27  <EGUEST601> it is wonderfull
2008-03-15T16:15:36  <EGUEST601> i love it
2008-03-15T16:16:07  <EGUEST601> but i want try catalog a book, or search z39.50 or borrow a book
2008-03-15T16:16:19  <phasefx2> there are simpler open source software for libraries than Koha and Evergreen, but these latter two are more powerful
2008-03-15T16:16:21  <EGUEST601> i want to see how easy all these things
2008-03-15T16:16:53  <phasefx2> EGUEST601: point your staff client to demo.gapines.org
2008-03-15T16:18:29  <phasefx2> then try logging in with arl-ath-demo-circ1 and password demo123
2008-03-15T16:19:50  <phasefx2> you should be able to try all these things with demo
2008-03-15T16:20:10  <phasefx2> except, it won't be real books :)
2008-03-15T16:20:14  <EGUEST601> i login but how can i catalog a book?
2008-03-15T16:20:24  <EGUEST601> where is the marc?
2008-03-15T16:20:55  <phasefx2> on the top menubar, there's a label for Cataloging
2008-03-15T16:21:08  <phasefx2> try either Create New MARC Record or Import from Z39.50
2008-03-15T16:23:20  <EGUEST601> i couldnt see Create new MARC Record
2008-03-15T16:23:47  <EGUEST601> i see just Home, Advanced Search, My Account, Log Out,
2008-03-15T16:23:59  <EGUEST601> at the left menu
2008-03-15T16:24:44  <EGUEST601> and i see just Account Summary, Items Checked Out, Items on Hold, Fines, Account Preferences, My Bookbags at the top menu
2008-03-15T16:26:28  <EGUEST601> i thought because of demo pages i couldnt create marc records at this demo page.
2008-03-15T16:26:41  <phasefx2> that's the public catalog you're logged into
2008-03-15T16:26:49  <phasefx2> no, feel free to create and delete things
2008-03-15T16:27:01  <phasefx2> but you need to use the staff client to do so
2008-03-15T16:27:17  <EGUEST601> and then i tried to install evergreen my localhost and i thought i could create the marc records
2008-03-15T16:27:41  <EGUEST601> but where?
2008-03-15T16:28:03  <EGUEST601> or how?
2008-03-15T16:28:31  <phasefx2> start the Evergreen Staff Client 3 program, and for the Server hostname, enter demo.gapines.org
2008-03-15T16:28:35  <dbs> back for a second - my guess is that apache needs to be restarted
2008-03-15T16:28:58  <dbs>  /etc/init.d/apache2 stop ; /etc/init.d/apache2 start
2008-03-15T16:29:02  <EGUEST601> welcome dbs
2008-03-15T16:29:08  <phasefx2> dbs: yay
2008-03-15T16:29:43  <dbs> i have to go out and shovel ice in a minute
2008-03-15T16:30:12  <phasefx2> I need to fix coffee or my head will implode
2008-03-15T16:31:08  <EGUEST601> i try stop apache but failed!
2008-03-15T16:31:14  <dbs> you'll get the  ???: login admin open-ils staff message if the opensrf services aren't running
2008-03-15T16:31:28  <EGUEST601> yes
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2008-03-15T16:32:11  <dbs> so first: osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a stop_all
2008-03-15T16:32:20  <dbs> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a start_router
2008-03-15T16:32:24  <dbs> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a start_perl
2008-03-15T16:32:25  <dbs> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a start_c
2008-03-15T16:32:27  <EGUEST601> dbs i see the opac page now but when i try to login via windows staff client i get network failure message
2008-03-15T16:32:37  <dbs> then become root and
2008-03-15T16:32:48  <dbs>  /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
2008-03-15T16:32:51  <dbs>  /etc/init.d/apache2 start
2008-03-15T16:33:00  <dbs> then become the opensrf user again: su - opensrf
2008-03-15T16:33:03  <dbs> srfsh
2008-03-15T16:33:03  <EGUEST601> ok will all these
2008-03-15T16:33:07  <dbs> login admin open-ils
2008-03-15T16:33:34  <dbs> yeah, you can see the opac page even if the opensrf services aren't running (and I'm pretty sure they aren't running at the moment)
2008-03-15T16:34:56  <dbs> Alright, I'm off to shovel some ice
2008-03-15T16:36:13  <EGUEST601> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a start_router
2008-03-15T16:36:20  <EGUEST601> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml -a start_router
2008-03-15T16:36:23  <EGUEST601> when i type
2008-03-15T16:36:58  <dbs> yes?
2008-03-15T16:37:11  <EGUEST601> i got no config object in osrfconfiggetvalue() message
2008-03-15T16:37:25  <dbs> oh, sorry
2008-03-15T16:37:37  <dbs> I didn't put the 'f' in conf
2008-03-15T16:37:38  <EGUEST601> warn:2545:osrfconfig
2008-03-15T16:37:48  <dbs> osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a start_c
2008-03-15T16:38:17  <dbs> err - run all those commands in the same order I gave before, but use -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml
2008-03-15T16:38:23  <dbs> sorry about that
2008-03-15T16:38:33  <dbs> okay, really gone now
2008-03-15T16:38:43  <EGUEST601> ok
2008-03-15T16:39:52  <phasefx2> EGUEST601: I need to dissappear for a bit too, what time is it over there?
2008-03-15T16:40:15  <EGUEST601> 22:40
2008-03-15T16:42:06  <EGUEST601> sorry dbs but i dont understand
2008-03-15T16:42:18  <EGUEST601> i typed osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -a start_c
2008-03-15T16:43:24  <EGUEST601> but now i got I/O warning: failed to load external entity /openils/con/opensrf_core.xml
2008-03-15T16:44:41  <phasefx2> tornado siren here I think
2008-03-15T16:45:44  <EGUEST601> ok ok i got it
2008-03-15T16:46:37  <bradl> phasefx2: at least you're in the basement :)
2008-03-15T16:50:06  <EGUEST601> i think i couldnt do that
2008-03-15T16:50:22  <EGUEST601> have you got a manual for dummies
2008-03-15T16:50:27  <EGUEST601> :(
2008-03-15T16:51:20  <EGUEST601> i want to thanks all your help and supports, you are really good guys
2008-03-15T16:52:16  <EGUEST601> and i hope one day i will use evergreen at my library computers
2008-03-15T16:52:30  <EGUEST601> or koha :)
2008-03-15T16:53:23  <EGUEST601> why dont you come Turkey as my guest
2008-03-15T16:54:29  <EGUEST601> i feel to honored host you
2008-03-15T17:02:00  <phasefx2> EGUEST601: Zeki, I need to get out of here, but if I see you again I'll try to help.  Most of us are here around during weekdays and evenings, GMT -5:00.  The OPEN-ILS-DEV mailing list is also a good resource
2008-03-15T17:03:04  <EGUEST601> phasefx2 thank you so much for your interest
2008-03-15T17:03:15  <EGUEST601> i will login next time as Zeki
2008-03-15T17:03:56  <EGUEST601> see you again
2008-03-15T17:04:48  <EGUEST601> i wonder if i really create a record in demo page?
2008-03-15T17:05:05  <EGUEST601> because i couldnt find it
2008-03-15T17:06:07  <phasefx2> EGUEST601: you need to use the staff client program you installed for windows
2008-03-15T17:06:31  <phasefx2> it uses the same logins and passwords as the OPAC/catalog at http://demo.gapines.org/, but has staff interfaces
2008-03-15T17:07:55  <EGUEST601> i am looking forward to serials and acquisitions modules
2008-03-15T17:08:26  <phasefx2> here's the hail
2008-03-15T17:08:45  <EGUEST601> then evergreen really will be best library automation system program
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2008-03-15T22:12:24  <dbs> So I'm uploading a 1.2.1.4 vmware image, and fully expect someone to say "Oh, we're releasing 1.2.2 tomorrow..."
2008-03-15T22:13:22  <bradl> dbs: we can only hope
2008-03-15T22:15:21  <dbs> I want 1.4.0
2008-03-15T22:15:33  <bradl> that would be nice
2008-03-15T22:15:39  <dbs> but I guess I need to do some work to get there :)
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