2008-03-13T00:16:33 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2008-03-13T00:42:30 *** greg-g has quit IRC 2008-03-13T00:48:25 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-03-13T01:32:05 *** tristanbob_ has quit IRC 2008-03-13T01:37:58 *** peanutb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T04:29:50 *** tristanbob_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T07:22:29 *** ibbo has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T08:00:43 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-03-13T08:12:12 *** greg-g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T08:31:54 *** randym has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T08:42:03 *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray 2008-03-13T08:58:37 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T09:15:24 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-03-13T09:35:00 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T11:01:21 *** JMCraig has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T11:01:23 *** JMCraig is now known as agJohn 2008-03-13T11:14:40 is there some page that says what i need to do to install opensrf? 2008-03-13T11:14:50 i have the src from svn 2008-03-13T11:15:21 but... there's no README for what it's going to complain about for what i don't have first 2008-03-13T11:27:01 rsinger: the opensrf and ILS install docs are intermingled on the wiki at this point. if you don't mind installing extra stuff, this will get you the prereqs: http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/browser/trunk/Open-ILS/src/extras/Makefile.install 2008-03-13T11:27:13 for the most part, the wiki is your best resource, though 2008-03-13T11:27:18 heh ... just looking for that 2008-03-13T11:27:44 berick++ 2008-03-13T11:27:46 berick: thanks 2008-03-13T11:28:30 rsinger: basically, install a jabber server (ejabberd), edit install.conf (no need, really) and type make all :) 2008-03-13T11:28:39 berick, eeevil: so i think if we use opensrf for jangle, we would want to prescribe some convention for how it should work in the jangle context 2008-03-13T11:29:04 prescribed explicitly, i mean 2008-03-13T11:29:07 in what regard? 2008-03-13T11:29:18 well, opensrf is really flexible, right? 2008-03-13T11:29:30 w/r/t what it can consume/produce 2008-03-13T11:30:10 meaning you could have a SOAP client talking to OpenSRF pointed at an XML-RPC connector? 2008-03-13T11:30:29 ok ... well, at the lowest level, it consumes and produces JSON 2008-03-13T11:31:06 but even that is too much information, really ... it consumes and produces ... data structures 2008-03-13T11:31:37 *** Karen_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T11:31:42 yeah 2008-03-13T11:31:43 I think what you're getting at is "a prescribed interface transport" 2008-03-13T11:31:45 ok 2008-03-13T11:31:49 eeevil: right 2008-03-13T11:31:51 ok 2008-03-13T11:32:01 so, "talk to it through X" 2008-03-13T11:32:25 at least that should be the 'supported' way for jangle 2008-03-13T11:32:31 you can still talk to it however you please 2008-03-13T11:32:42 where X IN (xml-rpc, json-gateway, xml-gateway, native xmpp, etc) 2008-03-13T11:32:43 it just may not be 'jangle preferred' 2008-03-13T11:32:46 yeah 2008-03-13T11:33:28 they're all equal in the eyes of the (server) applications 2008-03-13T11:33:44 i feel like forced convention introduces more simplicity for development 2008-03-13T11:33:59 even if it might be a little more inefficient technically 2008-03-13T11:34:02 so, maybe it's just producing client/connector examples that use the "blessed" interface? 2008-03-13T11:34:09 right 2008-03-13T11:35:03 berick: what are your thoughts on client libs other than js which use the opensrf-over-http translator? 2008-03-13T11:35:35 rsinger: that is the most advanced non-jabber interface ... streaming responses, true sessions, etc 2008-03-13T11:36:38 eeevil: well, those will still be there, and if a developer wants to roll up their sleeves and use the "awesome power of opensrf", they're more than welcome 2008-03-13T11:37:11 eeevil: but i think if that flexibility is exposed from the start, well, nobody will wind up doing anything 2008-03-13T11:37:13 ok ... so you're not looking to shun the advanced interfaces, just produce more easily digestable examples 2008-03-13T11:37:26 eeevil: that would work fine in any language for non-multipart calls. i'm doubtful (but have no idea, really) if multipart messages are handled in most HTTP client libs 2008-03-13T11:37:26 eeevil: yeah, and then open it up more when people feel limited 2008-03-13T11:37:49 rsinger: that, my friend, sounds like a plan 2008-03-13T11:38:10 eeevil++ 2008-03-13T11:40:02 I feel like the JSON/XML gateway is the right way to go, fwiw, but I can understand the arguments for xml-rpc too ... more thought and discussion are required 2008-03-13T11:44:40 my little evergreen demo guy at http://129.25.131.90/ has been working, but as of today it just sits on a search 2008-03-13T11:44:59 is there some db vacuuming i should do? 2008-03-13T11:47:16 gsf: if nothing significant has changed (deleted or updated many many records) then it won't be the db 2008-03-13T11:50:14 i'll try restarting the services 2008-03-13T11:51:28 oh, look, they weren't running! oops 2008-03-13T11:51:38 bah, ejabberd isn't in macports 2008-03-13T11:51:55 oooo ... mac, eh? 2008-03-13T11:52:57 well, i work with what's on my desk :) 2008-03-13T12:00:39 does that include parallels? ;) 2008-03-13T12:01:19 i have vmware 2008-03-13T12:01:37 you think osx is a bad choice? 2008-03-13T12:02:00 I'm just unsure of ejabberd on osx 2008-03-13T12:02:05 opensrf proper should be fine 2008-03-13T12:02:42 but, any jabber server for which you can turn off offline message storage will work ttbomk 2008-03-13T12:04:33 woo-hoo: http://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/downloads/ 2008-03-13T12:04:52 poifect! 2008-03-13T12:05:46 we need to point to that! 2008-03-13T12:10:53 ejabberd 2.0 supports starttls! yay 2008-03-13T12:31:44 i see screenshots of spiffy cocoa control panels, but no evidence of them in what was installed 2008-03-13T12:54:59 so there's interest in trying it with other jabber servers? 2008-03-13T13:07:47 rsinger: i've used ejabberd, jabberd2, and a home-grown server. ejabberd has been the best by far as far as configurability and robustness goes 2008-03-13T13:08:26 i've never had much reason to use anything else. but, i've also never tried installing on a mac 2008-03-13T13:14:10 *** randym has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T13:36:12 *** atheos has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T14:22:00 *** pmurray has quit IRC 2008-03-13T14:22:10 *** pmurray has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T15:01:31 *** jmellis has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T15:07:15 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T15:07:18 so it appears memcached is also a prereq? 2008-03-13T15:14:02 technically, you don't have to have a running memcache server, but the Perl/C client libs are a pre-req 2008-03-13T15:15:51 rsinger: there's a caching api provided by opensrf to opensrf apps, and it uses memcache ... 2008-03-13T15:16:42 ok 2008-03-13T15:27:19 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2008-03-13T15:27:39 *** JMCraig has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T15:27:41 *** JMCraig is now known as agJohn 2008-03-13T15:29:36 *** ibbo has quit IRC 2008-03-13T15:32:57 *** asmodai has quit IRC 2008-03-13T15:34:20 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T16:05:48 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2008-03-13T16:19:44 *** JMCraig has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T16:19:46 *** JMCraig is now known as agJohn 2008-03-13T16:38:57 *** dbs_mob has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T16:53:41 yay - so my conifer colleagues seem relatively happy with the direction acq is going 2008-03-13T16:58:48 would like to see the ability to order just part of a given of picklist, rather than the whole thing 2008-03-13T16:59:08 which seems strange to me, but okay... 2008-03-13T17:00:25 also want the option for each item to generate a separate po to avoid partial receipt complications 2008-03-13T17:01:55 dbs_mob: cool... so, per-item POs is a request we've gottem from others for the same reason 2008-03-13T17:10:41 no love with opensrf on this day 2008-03-13T17:10:55 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-03-13T17:19:46 rsinger: what's going on with the lack of love? 2008-03-13T17:22:50 dbs_mob: he's trying it on a mac :) 2008-03-13T17:27:21 ahhh 2008-03-13T17:28:04 no compile love due to some arcane C incantations? 2008-03-13T17:28:38 how'd the session go, phasefx? 2008-03-13T17:29:18 I wasted a lot of time at the beginning, but well overall. Bill has rel_1_2 on demo, and there's a bug when editing the item attributes for a pre-cat, so I 2008-03-13T17:29:22 (i've been on a train for the last hour) 2008-03-13T17:29:49 went running to my local dev server, which is running trunk, and something was up with my install too, so 2008-03-13T17:30:09 man! 2008-03-13T17:30:19 I figured, what the hell, I'll show folks how to install EG, and I tried to install STABLE_0_9 opensrf etc over my existing system 2008-03-13T17:30:38 and got a weird apache-related compile error that we've seen on list before 2008-03-13T17:31:06 ah, the 64-bit thingy 2008-03-13T17:31:15 came back to demo with my tail between my legs, narrowed down the specific bug I ran from, and went on with talking about circ, holds, etc. 2008-03-13T17:31:37 this one: http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-dev/2007-April/000665.html 2008-03-13T17:31:57 or at least, I saw characters like in the output 2008-03-13T17:31:58 damn, sorry i missed the session. 2008-03-13T17:32:04 s'okay :) 2008-03-13T17:32:21 I recovered from the madness, and folks seemed happy :) 2008-03-13T17:32:30 Karen_: you agree? 2008-03-13T17:32:47 indeed, very happy 2008-03-13T17:32:50 :) 2008-03-13T17:33:00 I love the Evergreen community 2008-03-13T17:34:36 The madness didn't seem to last all that long anyway. Overall, a good session. 2008-03-13T17:34:42 and we love you right back :) 2008-03-13T17:35:09 yup 2008-03-13T17:35:32 aww shucks 2008-03-13T17:55:09 *** Karen_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T17:57:35 *** dbs_mob has quit IRC 2008-03-13T18:32:26 *** jmellis has left #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T18:32:32 *** tristanbob_ has quit IRC 2008-03-13T18:33:09 *** tristanbob_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T18:51:33 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2008-03-13T18:51:35 *** JMCraig has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T18:51:37 *** JMCraig is now known as agJohn 2008-03-13T19:16:02 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T19:43:36 *** asmodai has quit IRC 2008-03-13T19:47:18 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T20:53:54 *** jeff has quit IRC 2008-03-13T20:54:06 *** jeff has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T20:58:52 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2008-03-13T21:22:47 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-03-13T21:23:21 slowly but surely creeping towards being able to edit all the relevant bits of a lineitem 2008-03-13T21:24:33 djfiander++ 2008-03-13T21:25:45 *** jeff has quit IRC 2008-03-13T21:40:23 *** jmelli1 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T21:42:44 *** miker_ has quit IRC 2008-03-13T21:45:44 *** miker_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-03-13T21:51:50 bleh. think I'm coming down with something. I'm gonna go to bed 2008-03-13T21:51:52 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2008-03-13T22:22:31 *** greg-g is now known as greg-g[MI] 2008-03-13T23:34:48 *** greg-g[MI] is now known as greg-g