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2008-02-12T09:36:11 gentoo image is all messed up (in emerging the world updates), so that might wait until 2008.0 profile is done 2008-02-12T09:36:32 asmodai: geez, i thought he was all about free marc records... 2008-02-12T09:37:23 Free Marc! 2008-02-12T09:37:57 not as exciting as free love 2008-02-12T09:38:15 heh 2008-02-12T09:39:22 dbs: the people thank you (re:gutenberg) 2008-02-12T09:39:28 at least, I think they do 2008-02-12T09:39:38 yeah, I dunno 2008-02-12T09:39:52 I'm a person, and I thank you ;-) 2008-02-12T09:40:01 btw, how many records are in the gutenberg file? 2008-02-12T09:40:05 heh.. now we just need one more! 2008-02-12T09:40:07 it seems like getting them to run through importing steps would be a good exercise, but if they just want a quickie demo... 2008-02-12T09:40:15 14000 or so 2008-02-12T09:40:20 dbs: thanks 2008-02-12T09:41:11 gmcharlt: my pleasure 2008-02-12T09:49:20 *** greg-g has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T10:17:16 yay - gutenberg import was completely clean (phew) 2008-02-12T10:18:01 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-02-12T10:18:05 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T10:19:58 I guess I should start thinking about what the heck I'm going to do for this pre-conf. 2008-02-12T10:22:19 dbs: we got 3 hours, right? 2008-02-12T10:22:41 let's call it 2.5 for startup delays 2008-02-12T10:22:55 and then at least one break 2008-02-12T10:23:29 i wonder if the other pre-conferences are going to be in the same room, or if there is an option to run late 2008-02-12T10:23:39 I wonder if we can make it a pre-req to have either Debian Etch or Ubuntu Gutsy installed, either natively or in a VM 2008-02-12T10:23:46 no, they're all in the same room 2008-02-12T10:23:50 ah 2008-02-12T10:24:02 i say yes on the pre-req 2008-02-12T10:24:26 and maybe for gentoo lovers make the prereq installs a pre-req 2008-02-12T10:25:22 yeah 2008-02-12T10:26:07 so... install, configure, import bibs and ... ? 2008-02-12T10:26:51 customize opac (using skins) 2008-02-12T10:26:58 dbs: btw, importing is all you. i can help some with crosswalking data ("that should be a stat-cat"), but not with the actual import process 2008-02-12T10:27:23 customize opac pt 2: add a new function: email password to user 2008-02-12T10:27:37 berick: greeeeat 2008-02-12T10:28:03 i can walk around and nod with a serious look on my face 2008-02-12T10:28:13 dbs: how much opac customization have you done? 2008-02-12T10:28:42 maybe I can come up with some bogus holdings data for the gutenberg records so that we can pretend there are some physical callnums & copies to play with 2008-02-12T10:29:15 enough skinning to feel reasonably comfy there (especially as more of the css got moved into the css files instead of inline) 2008-02-12T10:29:36 for the added function: I think I know what needs to be done :) 2008-02-12T10:31:20 dbs: for the sake of efficiency, do we want to walk through the process once at some point? 2008-02-12T10:31:27 based on my top-down tracing at http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opac-devel:catalog_development&s=opensrf%20opac 2008-02-12T10:31:34 berick: oh god yeah 2008-02-12T10:31:42 hehe 2008-02-12T10:31:45 we need to carve out a half-day next week I think 2008-02-12T10:31:58 sounds good 2008-02-12T10:32:25 *** sylvar has quit IRC 2008-02-12T10:32:26 I think I'm going to bail on the CouchDB talk 2008-02-12T10:32:46 oh yeah? too much goin' on? 2008-02-12T10:33:08 Either I pour time into the pre-conf, or into learning enough about CouchDB to fill in 20 minutes of talking, and I'd rather do a good job on the pre-conf 2008-02-12T10:33:16 yeah, too much 2008-02-12T10:34:44 let's also add a section on how the marcxml -> searchable indexes works & can be customized 2008-02-12T10:36:16 perhaps we can talk about that while the data is being imported 2008-02-12T10:36:42 yes, let's. this is a lot more interesting than "put your hostname here" 2008-02-12T10:37:28 I can help you guys prepare for that a bit, including "btw, this will be getting cooler/better soon" 2008-02-12T10:37:54 eeevil: no new baby yet? 2008-02-12T10:38:02 not yet 2008-02-12T10:38:18 I'm expecting that to happen right in the middle of acqfest 2008-02-12T10:38:21 * dbs watches the eeevilbaby blog with interest 2008-02-12T10:38:39 eeevil: that would be great (the help, that is) 2008-02-12T10:39:11 I need to get some of that out of my head anyway 2008-02-12T10:39:20 dbs: i'm trying to remember which talk would cross the threshold if you don't do couchdb 2008-02-12T10:39:20 perhaps in the last half hour we can build and show the acq-experiment python tooling 2008-02-12T10:39:42 oh, and django-admin 2008-02-12T10:39:52 acq-experiment_python_tooling++ 2008-02-12T10:40:10 gsf: no idea - at this point it seems fair to give whoever that would be some notice 2008-02-12T10:40:21 dbs: yeah 2008-02-12T10:40:41 I _hate_ backing out of a commitment, but I didn't expect to have both a pre-conf & a talk on my hands 2008-02-12T10:42:30 gsf: I could only hope that it would be the helios talk that would make it 2008-02-12T10:44:35 gsf: I take you'll be at the conf? 2008-02-12T10:44:46 s/take/take it/ 2008-02-12T10:44:53 dbs: i don't think helios was near the threshold 2008-02-12T10:45:16 dbs: but i don't know if i'll have that much to say about it, still too deep in the code to talk 2008-02-12T10:45:24 berick: yes yes 2008-02-12T10:46:17 gsf: cool. you gonna be able to make the pre-conf? 2008-02-12T10:46:40 dbs: if i had a whole 20 minutes, i'd be tempted to do something more ponderous, like "the state of the modern opac" 2008-02-12T10:46:49 berick: already signed up 2008-02-12T10:47:01 yay 2008-02-12T10:47:07 heh! steal pbinkley's slides, swapping a search for "portland" instead of "canada" 2008-02-12T10:47:40 dbs: i could probably even pose *as* pbinkley 2008-02-12T10:47:44 i have been growing my beard out 2008-02-12T10:47:52 gsf++ 2008-02-12T10:47:53 haha 2008-02-12T10:47:57 gsf_beard++ 2008-02-12T10:48:34 * dbs looks at the kernel panic on his debian vmware image with some interest / alarm 2008-02-12T10:48:50 or i could shave half of it off and go as that one guy 2008-02-12T10:49:03 EVERGREEN CAUSES KERNEL PANICS! 2008-02-12T10:49:07 Pete Mudhead 2008-02-12T10:49:44 anyway, back to business *cough* logged channel *cough 2008-02-12T10:50:18 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T11:15:29 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T11:15:45 berick: ah - and we can get the staff client involved to add some ISBNs to the gutenberg records 2008-02-12T11:30:07 phasefx_: have you run the staff client on trunk in the last day or two? 2008-02-12T11:31:19 I'm seeing some severe exceptions with the survey method calls, which I suspect might be related to miker_'s recdescent commit in storage 2008-02-12T11:31:22 dbs: you mean do some basic cataloging? 2008-02-12T11:32:23 berick: yeah - really basic, don't worry :) 2008-02-12T11:33:09 but show how the callnum / copy add works, with the in process state getting resolved by checkin (to the right branch) 2008-02-12T11:37:10 dbs: do you see any particular error in storage? 2008-02-12T11:37:34 /openils/lib/perl5/OpenSRF/AppSession.pm:1006 lt;404 gt; Method [open-ils.storage.action.survey.required.atomic] not found for OpenILS::Application::Storage 2008-02-12T11:37:48 particular enough? 2008-02-12T11:37:51 haha 2008-02-12T11:38:14 well, that just means that storage failed to complete loading... 2008-02-12T11:38:16 seriously, i can lisppaste more if you want 2008-02-12T11:38:37 you installed Parse::RecDescent, of course 2008-02-12T11:39:01 eeevil: on ubuntu, it was already installed as a dependency of something else, so yeah 2008-02-12T11:39:39 k 2008-02-12T11:41:50 gah 2008-02-12T11:42:13 typo 2008-02-12T11:42:35 svn updated 2008-02-12T11:42:47 hee hee 2008-02-12T11:42:51 yeah 2008-02-12T11:42:53 that's what I'm here for :) 2008-02-12T11:43:16 dbs++ 2008-02-12T12:03:42 geez, I should have caught that 2008-02-12T12:04:44 woohoo - updated debian image for 1.2.1.2 is about 475MB, with loaded gutenberg records 2008-02-12T12:04:44 * dbs learned about apt-get clean 2008-02-12T12:08:00 dbs: pylint won't complain about using "from x import y", correct? using fully qualified variable names in the source is more of a suggestion? 2008-02-12T12:09:03 after a while, fully-qualified variable names starts to bloat the code quite a bit 2008-02-12T12:11:21 berick: it does complain, but as long as you're certain you won't run into conflicting names it's okay 2008-02-12T12:11:47 berick: actually - let me think for a second 2008-02-12T12:12:59 berick: no,that's fine - it just hates from x import * 2008-02-12T12:13:30 berick: it also spits out a warning about relative imports 2008-02-12T12:13:43 berick: but "from x import y" is fine, style-wise 2008-02-12T12:13:51 crap, forgot about the metarecord step 2008-02-12T12:14:21 *** sylvar has quit IRC 2008-02-12T12:15:03 berick: as long as your modules/classes aren't actually named "x" and "y" ;) 2008-02-12T12:17:45 heh 2008-02-12T12:17:58 ok, i can avoid "import *", no problem 2008-02-12T12:20:06 thanks, guys 2008-02-12T12:21:32 berick: from x import * is bad style-wise, yes 2008-02-12T12:22:15 asmodai: right, i'm definitely avoiding that. i was more curious about 'from lib import class' 2008-02-12T12:22:29 That's quite ok 2008-02-12T12:22:43 cool. that makes my code a lot easier to read ;) 2008-02-12T12:22:49 *** jeff has quit IRC 2008-02-12T12:23:01 *** jeff has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T12:23:18 berick: we normally wrap such a module with an __all__ = ['ClassName', 'ClassName2'] 2008-02-12T12:23:19 *** miker_ has quit IRC 2008-02-12T12:23:37 berick: in order to limit import options 2008-02-12T12:23:41 *** miker_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T12:24:41 asmodai: is the purpose of __all__ to control what's imported when 'import *' is used? 2008-02-12T12:25:49 berick: yes 2008-02-12T12:26:16 berick: or rather, import module 2008-02-12T12:26:40 berick: So you only expose that which you want to expose 2008-02-12T12:27:08 Alternatively you can probably get away with _ClassName 2008-02-12T12:27:11 which import will not impor 2008-02-12T12:27:12 t 2008-02-12T12:27:43 gotcha 2008-02-12T12:29:01 dbs: did that typo fix make everything happy? (I'm assuming so... but have not tested myself) 2008-02-12T12:29:06 berick: I still need to document that 2008-02-12T12:33:23 berick: still lame : http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/new-to-python.html and http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/python-patterns.html 2008-02-12T12:34:15 asmodai++ #transformer examples ;) 2008-02-12T12:35:21 *** bradl has quit IRC 2008-02-12T12:35:47 eeevil: still updating my gentoo vmware image, so haven't had a chance to try it - but yeah, I expect that will solve the problem 2008-02-12T12:38:59 berick: everybody loves that :D 2008-02-12T12:39:24 heh, some of us are easy to please 2008-02-12T12:41:29 berick: sure beats Animal, Cat, Dog, bark, meow 2008-02-12T12:42:29 heh 2008-02-12T12:42:32 i think i used a horse for the derby book - naturally 2008-02-12T12:44:14 dbs: you didn't use a hat? ;) 2008-02-12T12:45:11 berick: it was an option :) 2008-02-12T13:04:33 *** bradl has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T13:07:48 hmm, might be time to think about moving some of the "current" releases to the code museum 2008-02-12T13:23:21 moved 2008-02-12T13:31:03 US slang keeps amazing me 2008-02-12T13:31:06 should we move the website into subversion as well, rather than dealing with our blah.php.old and blah.php.2008-02-12 versioning system? (ignoring binaries) 2008-02-12T13:31:10 Cobain: 2) Seat in the car that is behind shotgun. Since Cobain was behind a shotgun when he died, it got this name. 2008-02-12T13:31:13 what now, asmodai 2008-02-12T13:31:24 heh - hadn't heard that one 2008-02-12T13:31:40 Neither had I, I knew of shotgun. 2008-02-12T13:34:50 never heard that one, either 2008-02-12T13:47:36 @karma 2008-02-12T13:47:36 berick: Highest karma: "dbs" (2), "pinesol" (1), and "learning" (1). Lowest karma: "rewriting_config_files_on_exit" (-1), "pinesol" (1), and "learning" (1). 2008-02-12T14:14:17 62% uploaded - shine on, you crazy wifi connection 2008-02-12T14:14:54 dbs: oh, so you're why I was having a slow time uploading things to open-ils.org ;) 2008-02-12T14:15:23 hah, yeah - somehow I think my 62Kbps upload isn't bugging open-ils.org too much 2008-02-12T14:16:26 I was getting 31.1KB/s 2008-02-12T14:17:01 no idea if those units are equivalent :) 2008-02-12T14:18:01 ok, 62KB/s 2008-02-12T14:18:06 yes, I OWN you 2008-02-12T14:18:14 haha, friggin fraggin 2008-02-12T14:19:19 phasefx_: don't worry, only another 150MB to go here 2008-02-12T14:19:24 dbs: I haven't run the staff client in a trunk environment yet. My dev priorities (which jockey with other priorities) include finding candidate methods for .authoritative in the staff client, and then the i18N of server/patron (haven't forgotten:) 2008-02-12T14:22:39 phasefx_: don't worry about the trunk thing - I think miker_ fixed the underlying problem 2008-02-12T14:22:57 cool. But I'm going to have to go trunk soon anyway 2008-02-12T14:23:22 * phasefx_ likes breaking things 2008-02-12T14:26:23 what's the deal with .authoritative anyways? 2008-02-12T14:27:27 I don't know how it's implemented (some dynamic wrapper or decorator I guess), but it's supposed to make the method happen within a transaction, and pull data from the master db 2008-02-12T14:27:29 dbs: forces retrieval from the master db 2008-02-12T14:28:54 that's more succinct 2008-02-12T14:35:00 ah, okay - so "never mind the replicas, here come the auth pistols" 2008-02-12T14:52:21 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T14:52:27 dbs-- 2008-02-12T14:52:29 ;) 2008-02-12T14:52:49 oh wait, we have karma now.. dbs++ 2008-02-12T14:53:11 bah... dbs-- 2008-02-12T14:53:39 phasefx_: I'm only going to hog the internets for five more minutes 2008-02-12T14:54:01 Microsoft minutes? 2008-02-12T14:54:15 no hurry on my end :) 2008-02-12T14:55:26 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T14:59:53 phasefx_: all yours, my friend 2008-02-12T15:01:50 debian 1.2.1.2 is raring to go 2008-02-12T15:02:24 dbs: I'm about to cut 1.2.1.3 sometime today ;) 2008-02-12T15:02:28 sorry 2008-02-12T15:06:22 eeevil: I hate you 2008-02-12T15:06:26 you're eeevil 2008-02-12T15:06:34 indeed... sorry, for real 2008-02-12T15:09:38 oh, i had no doubt that you were serious 2008-02-12T15:10:12 i just wish that you had mentioned that, say, back around 9:35 when I said "I'm updating the debian vmware image..." 2008-02-12T15:10:18 bastage! 2008-02-12T15:11:07 I am indeed a bastage ... I really should have been paying more attention :( 2008-02-12T15:12:22 any schema updates required in this one? On the bright side, the update shouldn't take long at all... 2008-02-12T15:13:20 no schema updates 2008-02-12T15:52:28 @karma 2008-02-12T15:52:28 gsf: Highest karma: "dbs" (1), "pinesol" (1), and "learning" (1). Lowest karma: "rewriting_config_files_on_exit" (-1), "bah... dbs" (-1), and "dbs" (1). You (gsf) are ranked 1 out of 10. 2008-02-12T16:39:54 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T16:49:55 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T16:52:12 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T16:52:50 *** Karen_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T16:54:06 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T16:57:20 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T17:13:24 *** robojames has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T17:14:13 hi there, this is james from BC PINES, is there anyone there that can help me with a small problem? 2008-02-12T17:18:49 Hi James, I can try, but it might be slow going.. All I have for internet is a cell phone at the moment 2008-02-12T17:19:00 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T17:19:48 is there anything special one needs to do to get a new org unit to appear in the catalogue? 2008-02-12T17:20:07 Run autogen.sh 2008-02-12T17:20:45 genius!!! i knew it was something small and easy 2008-02-12T17:21:21 Well, that command has parameters, but it should tell you what they are :) 2008-02-12T17:22:45 is bootstrap conf opensrf.xml or opensrf_core.xml? 2008-02-12T17:23:41 That I don't know, but there should be an autogen example on the wiki 2008-02-12T17:23:41 That I don't know, but there should be an autogen example on the wiki 2008-02-12T17:25:00 Might even be in your shell history 2008-02-12T17:26:20 Hope you're using a test box :) 2008-02-12T17:37:27 robojames: hey james ... sorry 2008-02-12T17:37:56 i figured it out, and yes this is just on a test box 2008-02-12T17:37:58 robojames: in a meeting while your emails were flying. autogen made it happy? 2008-02-12T17:38:02 hahaha 2008-02-12T17:38:03 yes 2008-02-12T17:38:14 great :) 2008-02-12T17:38:18 i found out there are weird copy locations, it thinks encyclopedia britannica is in the mystery section 2008-02-12T17:38:36 it thinks almost everything is in the mystery section 2008-02-12T17:38:41 hehe ... still giggling about the test box thing... 2008-02-12T17:38:43 hrm 2008-02-12T17:41:54 well, I'm just inserting into asset.copy_location, and they taking the location as specified in the bprdp.copy table ... no adjustment of ids in either case there 2008-02-12T17:42:07 robojames++ 2008-02-12T17:42:17 robojames++ # indeed 2008-02-12T17:43:22 robojames: fixed the actor.usr.card problem. thanks 2008-02-12T17:48:38 hrm... I'm seeing Stacks as the biggest one 2008-02-12T17:48:43 location, I mean 2008-02-12T17:50:23 yeah it's really a pain 2008-02-12T17:50:27 robojames: I get the same counts in both the bprdp and asset schemas with a query like this: 2008-02-12T17:50:30 select l.name, l.id, count(*) from asset.copy c join asset.copy_location l on (c.location = l.id) where c.circ_lib = 4 group by 1,2 order by 1; 2008-02-12T17:50:31 there are 3 fields that the location could be in 2008-02-12T17:50:39 oh gah! 2008-02-12T17:50:51 well, you've scared me off then ;) 2008-02-12T17:50:57 (brb) 2008-02-12T18:07:11 ok ... driving time 2008-02-12T18:11:37 @list dunno 2008-02-12T18:11:37 dbs: Error: 'dunno' is not a valid plugin. 2008-02-12T18:11:42 booo 2008-02-12T18:11:57 @dunno add Hope you're using a test box :) 2008-02-12T18:11:57 dbs: Error: "dunno" is not a valid command. 2008-02-12T18:12:09 @list 2008-02-12T18:12:09 gsf: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Games, Insult, Karma, Later, Math, Misc, Owner, and User 2008-02-12T18:12:20 @insult pinesol 2008-02-12T18:12:20 pinesol - You are nothing but a hedge-born accumulation of boil-brained craptacular. 2008-02-12T18:13:09 @insult actor.usr.card 2008-02-12T18:13:09 actor.usr.card - You are nothing but a dizzy-eyed enema-bucketful of droning woman's. 2008-02-12T18:13:42 pinesol: word to the wise, you might want to throw ! in front of your insults 2008-02-12T18:13:42 dbs: Error: "word" is not a valid command. 2008-02-12T18:14:25 word 2008-02-12T18:18:17 I did opt to omit actual curse words :) 2008-02-12T18:18:58 phase_bb: keep yr eyes on the road! ;) 2008-02-12T18:19:12 Should add ____ to the dictionary so we can adlib :) 2008-02-12T18:19:14 phase_bb: don't read this message 2008-02-12T18:19:30 heh 2008-02-12T18:19:52 I'm stationary.. Been napping. Not on the road yet :( 2008-02-12T18:22:18 Need a Deadwood plugin 2008-02-12T18:22:58 @insult asset.copy_location 2008-02-12T18:22:58 asset.copy_location - You are nothing but a churlish puddle of fen-sucked bat. 2008-02-12T18:24:36 phase_bb: good, we don't want any equinox roadkill for dinner 2008-02-12T18:24:45 * dbs waves to robojames 2008-02-12T18:25:04 @praise 2008-02-12T18:25:04 phase_bb: Error: "praise" is not a valid command. 2008-02-12T18:25:43 cannibals 2008-02-12T18:25:43 cannibals 2008-02-12T18:26:09 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T18:26:57 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T18:27:32 Alright, out 2008-02-12T18:27:42 Night folks 2008-02-12T18:27:45 night! 2008-02-12T18:32:46 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T18:35:19 dbs? 2008-02-12T18:35:31 dbs? 2008-02-12T18:36:06 test 2008-02-12T18:36:32 *** djfiander has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T18:36:36 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T18:36:40 test 2008-02-12T18:36:43 odd 2008-02-12T18:36:54 pong 2008-02-12T18:37:36 I wasn't seeing what I was saying, but exiting and returning seems to have fixed it 2008-02-12T18:55:39 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T18:57:45 pong 2008-02-12T18:58:08 dinner time has a way of increasing my latency 2008-02-12T19:00:27 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T19:02:55 i hates windows. 2008-02-12T19:07:46 *** EGUEST439 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T19:08:38 *** EGUEST439 has quit IRC 2008-02-12T19:33:39 miker_: what else were you planning to do for 1.2.1.3? 2008-02-12T19:40:53 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T19:43:48 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T20:03:05 @karma aseet.copy_location 2008-02-12T20:03:05 robojames: aseet.copy_location has neutral karma. 2008-02-12T20:06:28 a lot of novels seem to have titles that end with ': a novel' 2008-02-12T20:32:16 *** robojames has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T20:42:49 I have successfully created a useless controller for an application called "Fred" 2008-02-12T20:43:45 woo hoo? 2008-02-12T20:44:40 it's a start. now I just need to rename it and start building it out, based on this wonderful documentation from miker: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=acq:oilsweb 2008-02-12T20:45:33 sorry, that documentation was produced by berick 2008-02-12T20:46:46 so, I'm moving slowly, figuring stuff out 2008-02-12T20:51:16 oh no, that absolutely makes sense 2008-02-12T20:57:12 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T21:06:02 this is actually starting to make sense 2008-02-12T21:06:08 well, the pylons stuff. 2008-02-12T21:06:28 that's a relief :) 2008-02-12T21:13:56 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-02-12T21:16:22 *** rsinger_ is now known as rsinger 2008-02-12T21:18:43 djfiander: i'm around if i can be of service 2008-02-12T21:18:54 berick: thanks. 2008-02-12T21:19:55 * bradl too 2008-02-12T21:19:59 ice cream anyone? 2008-02-12T21:20:13 * berick raises hand 2008-02-12T21:20:34 * bradl hands berick a bowl of sausage ice cream 2008-02-12T21:20:42 so, should we be packing shorts for GA next week? keep in mind that it's <0F here right now 2008-02-12T21:20:54 djfiander: it's been nice here lately 2008-02-12T21:23:59 berick: in picklist.retrieve_list(), the function usermgr.get_date_format() seems to be failing 2008-02-12T21:24:03 well, for me. 2008-02-12T21:24:30 djfiander: dying or just returning nothing? 2008-02-12T21:24:42 wait for it 2008-02-12T21:25:04 djfiander pasted "fetch_user_setting failing" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/55830 2008-02-12T21:25:20 there. dying. pylons error page in browser 2008-02-12T21:26:28 djfiander: ah, that was actually a bug with opensrf. should be resolved now 2008-02-12T21:26:32 with an update 2008-02-12T21:26:51 cool. I updated, but didn't install new versions for those libs *blush* 2008-02-12T21:27:22 right and generally, osrf isn't changing much. 2008-02-12T21:27:46 the python libs are still evolving a little, though 2008-02-12T21:29:38 do i need to install the new libopensrf or just the new python? 2008-02-12T21:29:47 just the new python 2008-02-12T21:29:51 cool 2008-02-12T21:30:49 got it. tx 2008-02-12T21:31:27 cool 2008-02-12T21:33:33 dbs: from before, as far as I know 1.2.1.3 is just bug fixes. A couple staff client and a couple middle layer, maybe? 2008-02-12T21:34:06 okay - so nothing else planned? 2008-02-12T21:34:28 * dbs is rebuilding gentoo vmware image from rel_1_2 2008-02-12T21:34:47 dbs: you'll want to use rel_1_2_1 :) 2008-02-12T21:35:05 rel_1_2 will soon be 1.2.2.0 2008-02-12T21:35:14 berick: controllers/acq/picklist.py needs "import osrf". see line 27. 2008-02-12T21:35:50 dbs: if you want to wait a few minutes, I can have a tarball for you 2008-02-12T21:36:23 miker_: no rush 2008-02-12T21:36:32 djfiander: arg, product of my little cleanup. fixing.. thanks 2008-02-12T21:36:45 see... I'm starting to figure this stuff out :) 2008-02-12T21:36:58 assuming the schema isn't changing, I'm not worried 2008-02-12T21:37:21 no change for rel_1_2_1 2008-02-12T21:37:34 maybe for rel_1_2 ... I honestly would have to look 2008-02-12T21:37:39 I've been stuck in trunk 2008-02-12T21:38:06 djfiander: ok, updated 2008-02-12T21:38:39 miker_: minor stuff - an index on group perms 2008-02-12T21:38:51 no big 2008-02-12T21:39:02 dbs++ #for lookin 2008-02-12T21:39:23 and i've got my brand new gutenberg.sql file just waiting to be imported 2008-02-12T21:39:56 the community demands pre-loaded marc records? I'll give'em pre-loaded marc records. 2008-02-12T21:40:30 you are truly a man of the people 2008-02-12T21:41:13 nice crib, by the way - you truly are the man of the house 2008-02-12T21:41:22 :) 2008-02-12T21:41:55 that thing was a snap to put together ... the dresser OTOH was a huge PITA 2008-02-12T21:42:24 especially since I was avoiding the electric screw driver (late at night, A in the next room) 2008-02-12T21:45:15 we have a white noise maker in Will's room that makes blankets about any noise we make 2008-02-12T21:45:22 s/makes// 2008-02-12T21:50:51 we've got the Sleep Sheep, which has several settings including creepy whale sounds, but it turns off after 15min 2008-02-12T21:51:58 A few times I turned a radio to static, but Amber's a pretty good sleeper nowadays 2008-02-12T21:52:31 * dbs procrastinates tackling another i18n file 2008-02-12T21:53:22 Will will wake up for any strange noise 2008-02-12T21:53:40 miker_: there's a switch on the sleep sheep that you can use to adjust the timeout to 45 mins :) 2008-02-12T21:53:51 if you walk by his room and sort of brush up against the door... he's awake 2008-02-12T21:54:53 jeff: no way! where's that? 2008-02-12T21:55:15 bradl: lamo! 2008-02-12T21:56:03 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T21:56:12 haha 2008-02-12T21:56:18 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-02-12T21:56:42 dbs++ 2008-02-12T21:58:41 miker_: it should be right near the volume control knob, but it looks like it might be a feature on "newer models" 2008-02-12T21:59:15 ahh... we've got a new one for the forthcoming B2.0, so I will check that out 2008-02-12T22:00:24 also, as far as white noise machines go, the Marpac SleepMate 980A is nice. It's also pretty common/popular, so should be easy to find. 2008-02-12T22:00:26 best way to get the kid to sleep through anything. keep a cd player full of death metal playing continuously beside the crib. 2008-02-12T22:00:57 stays on until you switch it off, but does cost a little more than a sleep sheep. 2008-02-12T22:01:03 djfiander: hah! 2008-02-12T22:01:28 jeff: seriously. parenting books recommend noise. the kids get used to sleeping through it. 2008-02-12T22:02:28 parenting books recommend whatever the hell works for your kid so you stay sane 2008-02-12T22:02:45 jeff: yeah, I have the sleepmate... love it 2008-02-12T22:03:40 * dbs links parenttoday.com website to open-ils.org irc logs 2008-02-12T22:03:48 heh 2008-02-12T22:04:10 we were just never careful about being quiet, and A sleeps like a champ ... but she hates those whale sounds 2008-02-12T22:04:56 * dbs starts importing records into rel_1_2_1 on gentoo, sharpens knives in case there is a future miker_ commit 2008-02-12T22:06:13 dbs: got my cell phone bill. 25 pages of data usage = 18Meg. $7 :D 2008-02-12T22:06:32 miker_: exactly 2008-02-12T22:06:41 djfiander: i was talking with a telus sales person about that and they swore up and down that there was no way that was possible 2008-02-12T22:06:58 miker_: even amazon describes the whale sounds as "eerie" 2008-02-12T22:07:11 dbs: I've heard that from other people too. 2008-02-12T22:07:20 insisted that you were going to be horribly surprised at your next bill, la de da 2008-02-12T22:07:56 this is two itemized bills now. first one was 28 pages of zero-charges. 2008-02-12T22:08:04 which it actually kinda annoying 2008-02-12T22:08:17 I eventually told the sales person "Okay, it's clear that telus doesn't offer something comparable, and also clear that I shouldn't be talking to you about bell products, so I'll go call bell now" 2008-02-12T22:08:30 djfiander: "See what we do for you?!?!?!" 2008-02-12T22:20:46 * miker_ eats his sausage ice cream 2008-02-12T22:20:55 it's melted by now! 2008-02-12T22:21:18 hmm - 'lib/util/error.js not found' with 1.2.1.1 windows staff client connecting to rel_1_2_1 server 2008-02-12T22:21:48 clear cache and restart, IIRC 2008-02-12T22:24:09 ok, I'm heading out 2008-02-12T22:24:14 *** djfiander has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-02-12T22:31:35 the login window is supposed to clear the cache.. that's nutso 2008-02-12T22:32:50 weird. I deleted Local Settings/Application Data/OpenILS entirely and it kicked back the same error 2008-02-12T22:33:29 this was an install of 1.2.1.1 over top an existing 1.2.1.0 install 2008-02-12T22:33:38 i'll uninstall and reinstall 2008-02-12T22:33:52 (staff client works fine on linux) 2008-02-12T22:34:18 Windows has two directories.. Local Settings/blah and blah/.. don't know if they're hard-linked or not 2008-02-12T22:35:18 no, they're not 2008-02-12T22:35:39 the cached files seemed to be in the Local Settings/Application Data/OpenILS dir 2008-02-12T22:36:33 correction: previous client was 1.2.0-rc4 2008-02-12T22:37:04 BAH 2008-02-12T22:37:35 uninstall and reinstall, wiping both Local Settings/Application Data/OpenILS and Application Data/OpenILS dirs, still getting that error. 2008-02-12T22:37:35 hrm 2008-02-12T22:38:09 can you tell what JSAN is trying to hit on apache? 2008-02-12T22:38:34 that lib/util/ path is a last resort when the specified repositories don't work out 2008-02-12T22:39:48 i'll peek 2008-02-12T22:39:55 hrmm..I upgrade/downgraded to rel_1_2 and now apache isn't following symlinks anymore :D 2008-02-12T22:41:57 augh 2008-02-12T22:42:10 so this is my fault (surprise surprise) 2008-02-12T22:42:29 failed to update the xul/HEAD link to point to rel_1_2_1 instead of rel_1_2 2008-02-12T22:42:30 sigh. 2008-02-12T22:43:38 that's better 2008-02-12T22:44:59 dbs: at least you weren't routing staff client traffic through a transparent caching proxy like some libraries :) 2008-02-12T22:47:03 dbs: would you be upset if I consolidated the circ/checkin* and circ/hold_capture* files? :) seems like a lot of redundant code 2008-02-12T22:47:14 not at all 2008-02-12T22:47:18 rats would be happy 2008-02-12T22:47:42 of course I would have preferred it before my i18n work :) 2008-02-12T22:47:56 yeah :D 2008-02-12T22:49:26 so, I have in my eg.conf file the Options Indexes FollowSymLinks, etc., but I'm getting Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible 2008-02-12T22:50:42 hrmm, it's ownership 2008-02-12T22:51:17 ah, your User or Group in httpd.conf might have changed? 2008-02-12T22:51:29 or the files aren't owned by the expected user? 2008-02-12T22:51:44 well, all of this used to work.. was working earlier today in fact 2008-02-12T22:52:55 have User opensrf.. but files are ultimately owned by phasefx 2008-02-12T22:53:47 files/dirs with 755 perms? 2008-02-12T22:54:19 1.2.1.3 is up on open-ils.org 2008-02-12T22:54:53 drwxr-xr-x and -rw-r--r-- 2008-02-12T22:55:00 miker_++ 2008-02-12T22:56:03 dbs: dumbness on my part; I had goofed a symlink and made it recursive 2008-02-12T22:56:17 phasefx_: my dumbness is contagious 2008-02-12T22:56:22 HEAD -> rel_1_2, rel_1_2 -> HEAD :) 2008-02-12T22:56:26 miker_++ indeed 2008-02-12T22:56:45 yay, my fever broke 2008-02-12T22:57:19 my lungs feel like they have a pound of cement in them 2008-02-12T22:58:07 ughers 2008-02-12T22:59:13 dbs: and yet there you are, neck deep in internationalized goo ... you, sir, are dedicated 2008-02-12T22:59:36 today has been mostly vmware goo 2008-02-12T23:00:54 dbs: you'll love this... hold_capture* is dead code.. I already have checkin doing both interfaces :D 2008-02-12T23:01:22 sorry mang 2008-02-12T23:01:24 hah - you know, I _thought_ there was an awful lot of duplication there 2008-02-12T23:01:36 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-02-12T23:01:44 phasefx_: by "love this" you mean "I'll be hiding from dbs next week" I assume? 2008-02-12T23:02:05 miker_: he'll forgive me once he opens an unmolested N810 2008-02-12T23:02:47 server/circ/util seemed to have a ton of stuff for offline, which didn't make a whole lot of sense to me 2008-02-12T23:03:06 I'm like jesus, I forgive all sins 2008-02-12T23:03:16 (if an N810 is waiting, at least) 2008-02-12T23:03:32 dbs: probably receipt templates 2008-02-12T23:04:45 dbs: can't have the remote xul template editor refer to a chrome template definition file :( 2008-02-12T23:05:11 ah 2008-02-12T23:05:18 glimmers of enlightenment 2008-02-12T23:05:27 well, s/templates/column definitions/... so I might be all wrong 2008-02-12T23:05:38 need to look at that 2008-02-12T23:06:13 though the receipt templating system makes heavy use of list column definitions 2008-02-12T23:07:55 it felt like those column definitions were generated code - yeah? no? 2008-02-12T23:08:54 maybe copy/pasted code :D 2008-02-12T23:10:09 okay, I see.. pretty much the only reason they're there (duplicated from chrome/content/circ/util.js) is so the receipt template editor can offer a preview of offline templates 2008-02-12T23:10:32 I'm just amazed at how much freaking code you've written 2008-02-12T23:10:33 the receipt template editor being remote xul, and not able to access chrome/content/circ/util.js 2008-02-12T23:11:50 would have been better maybe if I had learned opensrf early on and put most of that logic in the middle layer 2008-02-12T23:12:13 was just easier at the time not to bug Bill :) 2008-02-12T23:12:56 *** sarabee has quit IRC 2008-02-12T23:13:29 dbs: it always feels smaller to me. I thought there was fewer than 100 files in the staff client, and miker_ and berick said I was nuts :) they were right 2008-02-12T23:13:31 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T23:15:48 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-02-12T23:19:45 I think I could do a better job of programming in the large these days 2008-02-12T23:20:23 after wrtiting that much, I bet you could too - coding learns you good! 2008-02-12T23:21:01 hell, after reading as much of your collective code as I have, I feel like my brain is all stretchy 2008-02-12T23:21:37 all these nifty frameworks that exist now can only help :) 2008-02-12T23:21:47 mozilla/xul was do-whatever-you-want 2008-02-12T23:32:05 *** dbs has quit IRC